Flirt, Ghost, Catfish: Love’s Chaotic Triple Threat

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Oh my God, I just totally got catfished.

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He looks absolutely nothing like his picture.

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So I found out, the guy that I've been dating is married with kids.

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His wife just reached out to me.

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Welcome to the Meat Market.

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The single scene is a slaughterhouse and we are here to devour it.

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We are your hosts.

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I'm Lindsay, I'm Jess and today's sizzling single is kevin welcome.

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How are you?

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good, so you coach professional athletes uh, yes, baseball, baseball players mostly are they dicks?

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No, no, no, it's part of the reason I've heard some of the bad things about them.

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Well it's part of the reason I I don't say pick baseball, but I, um, I tend to like to train baseball and hockey guys more than football and basketball.

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So football and basketball plays with the dicks.

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I wouldn't say they're dicks.

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The issue is that when they're growing up and they're very, very good, they're put on a pedestal at a young age and you can go from like high school to the pros like the next day and hockey and baseball.

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I think even if you're like the first pick in the draft, you still have to work your way through the minors so you learn how to grind and live on buses and travel, so when you get there, you're more.

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You're more appreciative of what's going on and you're not as entitled.

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That makes sense, and they can call you up and down at any given time.

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You could be the number one pick and never get to the big leagues Exactly.

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Your spot is never secured, really.

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Football and basketball.

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If you're number one, you're starting tomorrow.

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You know what I mean.

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And that's generalizing Not every football or basketball.

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If you're number one, you're being, yeah, starting tomorrow.

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You know what I mean.

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And that's generalizing.

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Like not every football, basketball player is like I played football, so but as a business as a whole, like, for instance, my guys, if they walk in and there's a gym full of people that they don't know, they'll walk up to each person and say hi, nice to meet you, you know, introduce themselves when in general, sometimes guys don't do that.

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Yeah, they kind of they call big league people.

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They just don't talk to them unless they're in the same level.

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That kind of stuff.

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So you said that you've been on so many bad dates that you're actually writing a screenplay based on this yeah, I'm trying to um, I don't know how good it'll be, but everyone I give the the idea to, they like it, you know.

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So I started dating about two years ago.

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Um, and I have, I have some bad ones.

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Plus, I'm taking other people's and I'm, you know, kind of putting it together and I want to make it like a um, I don't know how to explain it other than a love story between a daughter and his and a father and his daughter, but not, you know, not a love story, but like you know, I'm saying like sick, not like something like an old console story.

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No, no no, no, not like that, but like uh like a heartwarming relationship.

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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, where?

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she works at a bar and he brings the dates to the bar and she's you know all that I was gonna say we may have to end this episode early.

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We made a bad judgment call on this guest.

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Yeah, now she's cringing too.

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She's gonna be like what so what's your worst date story?

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worst would be hard to put.

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I mean, I have a few One a girl.

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She showed up and half of her face was tattooed.

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Oh Like all on the side, but in her profile she had no tattoos on her face.

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Like did she use makeup or filters?

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Or did she only?

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show like one side of her face in her photos.

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Yeah, that's pretty much how it went Like.

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It was like her good side, her one side.

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Yeah, interesting, that's pretty much how it was and I mean I ended it like on the spot you did, how did you?

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what did you say?

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well, I'm never.

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I I tend to.

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Even if I someone isn't like their pictures like drastically, I'll still go on the day.

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I'm not a jerk, so I would never make them feel bad about it.

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But in this case I'm like you know, half your face is tattooed and I've never seen that before uh I didn't see that.

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Was it cultural?

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Was she like native?

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You know how?

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no, it was like her name or a name, like I don't even know what it said, but it was like writing like a word or something like stars and, quite honestly, I've seen it on some girls that it looks good but also show it like yeah give me the option of being into that, and that's what I said.

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I said, look, people are into this and you should be trying to cultivate those people, not somebody that's almost like.

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Even if I was into it, you kind of lied about it already, so it's like bad.

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Well, and it's almost too again like what are you hiding?

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Like why are you hiding it in your profile?

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Be honest, right?

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Don't you want to put everything out there before you meet someone?

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Well, that gets to another bad date I had.

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Well, the girl was completely trans, wow, what, it's fine, it's whatever.

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But I literally had the almost verbatim, the same word for word, um interaction with her.

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I wasn't a dick and I I was like, look, some people are into this yeah, so be up front about it and you know you'll attract those people like for, quite honestly, even if I was into, I would not be now into you because you just lied to me for however long.

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So did she tell you or was it obvious when you saw her?

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No, no, no.

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It was not obvious.

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No, it was not obvious, not even in person, it was not obvious.

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She told you on the date not prior to the date right.

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Correct.

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Had she had bottom surgery or did she still have a dick?

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You didn't ask her that.

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Oh, I would have.

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That would have been my first question.

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I would have had to have known.

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I assume she had top surgery.

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Did she have boobs?

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Yeah, she had boobs.

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Okay, yeah, that would have.

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That would have literally been my first question so wait, did she?

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tell you or did you just know?

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No, she told me yeah, she, yeah and so you, and so how did you end the date?

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The same exact way, almost Like I'm like I'm not mad.

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I mean I'm a little mad like waste my time or whatever.

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But if you would have told me this beforehand, we wouldn't have had this conversation or been here.

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Would you have still gone on the date with her if she would have told you that she was trans?

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No, or would you have?

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said I'm not interested.

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Yes, correct, okay, or just put in your profile, so I'm not even, you know, wasting the time going back and forth with you.

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I went on a date with a guy and I asked him what his craziest dating story was and he told me he went to a club, met this beautiful asian woman, went home with her, got naked, found out it was a man, it did not have the bottom, but he still went forward and had sex.

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So some people are into that.

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It does work sometimes, but that's also a lying.

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That's my issue.

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It's not being honest.

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That's the point, yeah.

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So, speaking of sports and your industry, so I had a friend years ago she was actually a mutual friend of ours, lindsay, you know her as well and she had a friend who was a trans woman but she hadn't had bottom surgery and she did like escort type stuff.

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She would date professional NFL players, nba players, because they could fly her out.

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She was very beautiful, her face was gorgeous.

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You could hardly tell like the same, I'm sure, with the woman that you went on a date with, you couldn't tell She'd had top surgery, she'd had her Adam's apple shaved, she'd had you know whatever worked onto her face.

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She was a gorgeous woman, but she still had a penis.

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And these athletes who are on the DL, who can't come out because they're in the professional sports world.

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Well, Lamar Odom's girlfriend.

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Yes, yeah, these men would fly her out, they would buy her bags, they would take her on dates, because when the men are at a restaurant with someone who looks like her, the paparazzi doesn't think anything of it because they just think, oh, you know, so-and-so is out on a date with a beautiful woman.

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They don't realize.

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You know that.

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No, these guys are actually on the dl and that's what they look for.

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That's why they are with her, because you know, she looks like what she looks like on the top, but she has what they like on the bottom, like.

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So it's crazy, there is like there's a lid for every pot, like you know what I mean, but be up front about it.

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Dwight Howard's the same way too.

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Interesting NBA guy, two NBA guys.

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I guess it makes pegging easier because you don't need the stuff on right.

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I know a lot of guys are into that, yeah.

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Yeah, so tell us about your.

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Oh, we're getting into it.

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I feel like we talk about pegging on every we do We've been talking about pe a lot lately.

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Must be a thing, so tell us about you.

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What do you do for fun?

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What are your hobbies?

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What are you looking for?

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So what I'm looking for?

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That's a funny question.

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It's like literally the first question on every app, for every message, like second, third messages.

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Do you ask it or do women ask it of you?

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I do not ask it, you do not ask it.

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Or do I do not ask you?

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you do not, I don't, because for this reason I don't.

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I think men and women are different.

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I think women sometimes answer I want a long-term relationship, I want relationship, relationship, relationship.

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Me personally I don't know about, I can't speak for other guys.

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I think sometimes guys are just in it to chalk up data, you know yeah um, I think I want.

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I know that I want to find a person that I want a relationship with.

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I don't want a relationship.

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I like being most of the time.

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I like being by myself.

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I need someone that makes me to not want to be by myself.

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So I think, when you get you, where you get into trouble is if you're looking for a relationship.

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You'll get into one without the right person because you want a relationship.

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You don't care who it's with.

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You're so focused on the relationship.

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But not like to the point where I I want to be with somebody that makes my life better on all levels, and that's everybody.

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It's cliche to say that.

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But but also like more specific, like I want to be happy, I want to do stuff, I want everything.

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That's not always going to be great, but you know it's who you want to be with and see all the time.

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Not I want to be in a relationship, I want to see this person because it's what I'm supposed to be, you know it's definitely better to be alone than to be in a relationship with the wrong person.

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I feel like sometimes people do force it because they're so scared of being alone.

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They can't be alone.

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That's my problem too because I'm like I love hanging out with myself.

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I'd rather hang out with myself all day long than hang out with somebody.

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It blows my mind how people will be in long relationships seven, eight, nine years.

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Boom, boom, boom.

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As soon as they're done, right into it.

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We know so many men like that, they they have another girl lined up before they even break.

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I think that's a little different because I think it's reboundish and they are just trying to assert their attention other places and it's fleeting.

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On the flip side, I think women get into it because they're people, are codependent in general, some people and the codependency really comes out when it comes to that kind of I can't be myself.

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You should learn to be by yourself and have a great time by yourself before you get with somebody.

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I did read an article that was saying statistically lonely people or people that aren't in a relationship die younger, die earlier.

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Did you read that article?

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I did, but I read that when men are married they live like 20% longer.

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When women are married, their lifespan is shorter.

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Interesting.

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I can believe that.

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I can too, and I think it depends on if you're lonely and unhappy Because, like I, love being alone, alone like I can't imagine myself dying earlier, right being alone because I'm like so happy being alone and you have to have somebody that's going to make you not want to do that, yeah, so you're not looking for the.

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I don't even know if you guys are in a relationship, but if you don't want to be in a relationship, just because yeah.

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Yeah, no, I'm not in a relationship and I'm not looking for a relationship for almost for the exact reason that you're saying because I don't want to just be in a relationship.

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To be in a relationship, I think that's stupid, Like so.

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I'm also and I not prefer, but I'm completely open to long distance.

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For that reason, not prefer, but I'm completely open to long distance.

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For that reason, like, if you have the means to be able to travel and see somebody, then I think it gives you kind of the best of both worlds, where you're by yourself for you know, I don't know 50%, 30%, 80% of the time, and then you get to see the person that you want to be with.

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And then it's like special when you do see each other yeah.

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I love your hat so you're a father, I am.

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I love how you're proud and you want to announce it so my favorite thing in the whole world, for sure how old is she?

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I have two.

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Oh my, my daughter is 27, and then I adopted my ex-wife's daughter when she was four.

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Oh how wonderful.

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She wonderful she's 15 now.

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So which one is going to be cringing at the daddy-daughter story?

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I probably won't watch because she doesn't even.

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it's so weird she doesn't say see, anything on social media.

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It's weird, because her age group and she's 15?

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Yeah, it's crazy.

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Wow, that's interesting.

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But my oldest will.

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We've had our back and forth when it comes to like dating and women and stuff like that.

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So do you have to approve women by her like?

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Do?

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you.

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I would like yeah, yeah, for sure.

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How long do you?

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We're very close.

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What, how?

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long do you wait before you introduce a woman?

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oh, I go there on the first date.

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I'll bring them to to her bar really that's funny, she's a bartender, so yeah where did you buy tend?

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do you want me to say where?

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Uh sorry, lane um the porch in tempe, oh okay, I like the porch and I'm not biased.

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I am, but I'm not.

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She is beautiful, like beautiful beautiful so we're going to the porch for you come go anytime after we're done recording today.

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She working today.

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Her name's delaney yeah, that's cute yeah, my other one lives in um northern california okay, that's funny.

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Do you tell your dates that you're bringing them to meet your daughter?

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or do you just show up at the bar and you're like oh, by the way, this is my daughter.

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You let them know I'm super up front with almost pretty much everything that I do for sure do women get excited about that, or are they a little apprehensive?

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um, if they are, they are, they would say it, and then I just wouldn't.

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I'll say like, if you don't mind, we'll go there, if not, then I don't care, we don't have to go there.

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I was going to say, because that's something that I feel like I would not be comfortable with.

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If a guy was like on the first date.

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You're older, though I feel like kids.

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I don't know, because I don't have kids and.

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I never really wanted kids of my own, so when guys want to introduce their kids to me really early on, it's I don't know, it just makes me a little bit uncomfortable I agree with you on that if the kids were kids Younger, that's true, she's an adult, that's true, that is true.

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Well, yeah, younger, younger, that's true, she's an adult, that's true, that is no.

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Well, yeah, she's my kid, but yeah, she's not a kid.

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Yeah, that she's probably more.

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She's probably more adult, more um mature yes by far, by the way.

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So how tall are you?

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You seem pretty tall I'm like six, three six three.

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Yeah, ladies are gonna love you.

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I've always got women.

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It's like I want a love you, it's such a thing I actually lie shorter, not shorter, but I'm like, if you meet me out and I have shoes on and stuff, I'm probably closer to six four than six three.

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I just say I'm six two or six three and for that reason because I hear that every single guy lies about- their height.

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They do, they do.

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And as a tall girl it's like yeah, you two are both tall, yes, and so I have Slim pickings out there I have.

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I've met guys before that I'm like.

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I do.

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Yeah.

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Because I like to wear Like.

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I'm typically in sneakers, but like if I'm dressing up, I like to wear heels.

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If I wear heels, I'm six foot Like, and so I don't know.

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I want to be able to wear heels and be you could still wear heels and be taller?

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No, I do.

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I do, and it doesn't necessarily bother me, but I know it bothers guys.

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It bothers guys sometimes, or it has in the past.

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Yeah, so don't you get hit on a lot?

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I can imagine that you have a lot of women chasing after you, I don't go out that much.

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And with your baseball circle.

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Like do you have an issue with baseball groupies being around?

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Cleat chasers Cleat chasers yes, is that what they call them?

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Cleat chasers.

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Not me, I mean, they're way below my age bracket now being around, but just being around and being in that scene and in that environment, do you?

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find I don't see it, you don't Quite.

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Honestly, I'd say 90% of my guys are married.

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Okay, happily, faithfully, loyally, they all are they all?

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are.

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That's great.

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Okay, I wouldn't have done that when I was their age, for sure.

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But I'm a little different.

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I've never drank.

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I've never drunk.

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I've never drank, never did drugs.

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You've never had a cocktail.

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I've had probably 20, 25 drinks total in my life.

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I'm not against it, and that's another thing that comes up on dates.

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I've had people that didn't want to go out with me after the first time because I didn't drink.

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I was going to ask you that Is it unattractive to you if a woman drinks too much?

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What if she drinks too much?

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I think it's more unattractive of how you are if you drink too much.

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Okay.

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You could drink a lot and be super fun.

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Okay, here's another bit.

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This is in the script.

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If I ever make it so, in this two years I've probably gone out with, I would say, five girls more than twice one of them.

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So I used to have a um house in newport beach and it's great area, great, great, great area and I met this girl.

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She's beautiful, she was awesome.

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We had a date at the beach, it was great, went out that night and it was literally like Cinderella.

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When it struck midnight she got absolutely crazy.

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But that's because she drank a lot and we went out three different times.

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We were a lot closer than you would think that three dates were, but it was almost like repeat, repeat, repeat.

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On the third date we went uh, stopped at my house to go to her house.

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I had to go upstairs to get like clothes or something and she was like I was up there for, at the very most, three to four minutes.

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I came down.

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She's like I'm getting an uber, I'm going home, I'm not waiting this long and I was like what?

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What was going on here?

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Are we in the twilight zone?

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She's like'm not waiting this long and I was like what is going on here Are we in the twilight zone?

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She's like I don't wait, this is crazy.

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I was like hold on.

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Now this has happened three times out of three dates.

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Everything has been fantastic until it wasn't and then, when it wasn't, it went from sugar to shit in like two minutes.

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So she's an angry drunk well, she's just she, yes, yes she hit or she hits a wall, she hits a, she drinks.

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She hit a thing and she was gone and she and I was like you gotta get that uber and we are not going out ever again.

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And that's how it was.

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And that date we were walking down the boardwalk and we would stop periodically and she would do a shot, but I didn't see that as red flag.

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Probably now looking back, yeah because I don't care if you drink, I do not care, it makes zero.

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I'm not anti-drink, I don't like the way it tastes, so like if I don't like olives, I'm not eating olives.

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It's the same exact thing, I'm just not into it.

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Did she message you the next day?

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We will never be romantic, we will never be in any sort of relationship what if she says I'm gonna no quit drinking.

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No, really because that's it.

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That would have to take years for me to realize that happened?

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yeah, it's I mean 99 of people go back to the way they were at some point you know I don't have time for that.

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Yeah, too old are you ready for it?

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I'm ready for it, I'm ready for it.

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We have got a listener question today is from priyanka in phoenix.

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She says I am getting married in july and I'm getting very stressed with my bridal party and it's just making me not want to get married.

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One of my bridesmaids has a limp and my mother doesn't want her in the wedding.

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I would normally just tell my mom to stay out of it, but she's paying for the entire wedding All $80,000 of it.

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How do I keep my friend Limpy Lizzy without upsetting mommy money bags?

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Wow.

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So first of, all I have a hard answer for this one.

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I tell mom to go away.

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I don't care if you're paying for it.

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That's terrible.

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I have big issues when people make other people's weddings about themselves.

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Yes so.

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I lost two friends when we got married.

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It was just my immediate family, my husband's.

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I know I wasn't even invited to your wedding and I was, and.

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I was a little upset about this.

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My mom, my dad, my brother, my sister, that's it because my husband's parents passed when he was younger so I wanted them to be there at the wedding, so we literally got married at their grave site.

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They they're buried next to each other, so we got married there so they could be included in the wedding.

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And I have cousins and aunts in town that I didn't invite.

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We just wanted it super small, literally.

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I had two friends call me the day of just blasting me and I was like you ruined my wedding day.

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How dare you make this about you?

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This is my day, you know, and they're so selfish and we haven't spoken to this day, 10 years later.

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If mom is paying and holding, she shouldn't be holding over anybody's head that she's paying whatsoever.

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It should be unconditional if a parent pays for your wedding do

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whatever you want and the fact that she's stressing out her own daughter about her wedding and kind of ruining the experience.

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I feel like it's like the mom's probably living vicariously, like she didn't have her own wedding or she didn't have control over her own wedding and so now she's like I'm paying.

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She's using this as like a bargaining chip, like I'm paying for the wedding, so I get to control.

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I'm curious, though what does it matter if she has a limp Like?

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Is she worried about the videos, or like you can't tell in a picture Like what is she worried about?

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Like other people's opinions, that how miserable that you're so concerned about other people's opinions.

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As somebody who works with disabled people, disabled people it like I feel bad for them.

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I'm the first one who's like um ada, I know it's not like a legal thing, but like like everyone has a right to be a bridesmaid in a wedding, okay, even if they have a limp, like I would be like, if you don't want to pay, fine, I'll do it without you.

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I'm gonna have limpy lizzy in my wedding and we'll get married somewhere else on the beach where it's free, where I don't need your money anywho.

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So now we're going to talk about an article, a new dating trend.

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So toliomery have you heard of toliomery?

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no, there's so many things.

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The controversial new dating trend.

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I know you know many people I know many people that that indulge in toliomery.

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So the article starts with what it is.

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When k Kathy was holding her husband's mistress's hair back as she vomited in her bathroom, she knew her marriage had hit rock bottom.

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Kathy knew her husband was cheating on her and his mistress didn't seem to mind that.

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She knew she isn't the first and certainly won't be the last woman my husband has had an affair with.

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Toleomery is just a fashionable word for betrayal.

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It's where you know your significant other is cheating but you turn a blind eye.

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So it's like tolerating.

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You just tolerate, and I've known so many people in my past that their significant other is cheating.

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But they don't want to leave.

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They love them so much that they just act like.

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Is it that, or is it because it'd be too hard?

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too messy to get divorced as well.

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Either too messy or like.

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Have you seen those, those reels where it's like the woman walks in the house and she's like walking home to my billionaire husband and she opens the door and sees him with another woman in bed and then turns around.

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So it's like is the husband just like funding her lifestyle?

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Is it right, you know?

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And with the men, like with men, it's like it's cheaper to keep her half the time.

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So it's like rather just have an affair than file for a divorce.

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But then the wife who's you know?

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They clearly already don't like each other anyways.

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Right, well, this goes on to say that you know.

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Kathy's been married for 30 years.

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She knows of at least six women.

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Her husband has slept with Her daughter, even caught him cheating.

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Oh, that's the worst, that's the worst slept with her daughter, even caught them cheating him, cheating um.

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You might think that our sort of arrangement no longer exists, but recently I learned our situation is increasingly widespread.

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There's even a new trendy term for turning a blind eye to your partner's affairs tolly o'marie.

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I can tell you it's just a fashionable word for betrayal.

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Um, she wasn't numb to her husband's affairs, but simply had made a decision that his infidelity was a price she was willing to pay to keep the life they'd built together.

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As a result.

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I've kept my husband, who has supported me in my life, along with my standing in the community and my beautiful home.

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So, yeah, she doesn't.

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So is it because she loves him or because she loves the money?

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I think she loves him, so it's also bad too.

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That's bad too.

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It's transactional relationship, and I know when you have kids it's tough too, yeah, because you don't want to separate the family and affect the kids.

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But then she does say that he was telling me he would be satisfying his libido elsewhere.

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Her and her husband once had a healthy sex life, but troubles with endometriosis and nasty perimenopause eroded that.

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I was feeling tired, bloated and instead of being understanding, um, he let me have both barrels and he went elsewhere and that's kind of what happened to in sickness and in health.

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You know you should be supportive.

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And then he said that, um, yeah, he was going to be satisfying his libido elsewhere huh, I'm a proponent, for if you're not happy in your relationship, you should just leave.

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You should not stay in a relationship.

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Because of the kids, because of the kids or because of money or anything.

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I think that actually leads to worse things for the kids.

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I do too.

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I actually sat next to one of the top divorce lawyers, both here and in I think it's La Jolla, and she was telling me how it's actually worse for the kids for a bad marriage to stay together.

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It affects the kids worse sometimes it's better.

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Yeah, well, it's like as much as you try to like hide the fighting or whatever, like the kids always know what's going on like yeah, you see a lot of these women that have very rich spouses or boyfriends and they don't leave them because of the money, because they don't want to give up that lifestyle.

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I mean.

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I personally would leave, but you can see.

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So what are they going to have to get a job?

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I know someone that doesn't leave their cheating partner because she doesn't want to work.

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She hasn't worked for over 10 years and she doesn't want to go to work.

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I have a friend that's been going through a divorce for probably six years now and it's because she's not getting the check that she thinks that she thinks that she deserves, but she's the one who fucked her trainer while she was married and now she knows what you're talking about you might you might.

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I'm saying she knows now, yeah well yeah, we, we are since not as good of friends, as we used to be, and so I, it's whatever, but I, I would tell her that all the time I'd be like, I'd be like listen, like you're the one that stepped out on your marriage, like, like you want me to side with you.

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And Arizona doesn't recognize that by the way it's.

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That's so weird to me because I'm like you want me to side with you and take your side and be against your husband, and I get it Like you guys had a shitty relationship.

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Yeah, you were both bad to each other, but at the end of the day you didn't just leave.

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But at the end of the day you didn't just leave like you went and slept with someone else, and so it's like when the relationship was bad, you could have just left and then you could have went and slept with whoever you wanted to like do that.

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But it's like.

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But here you are, you stepped out of the marriage and now you're holding off this divorce.

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You've been in this nasty divorce for years and years and years because you're not getting the money that you think you deserve like, don't you think there were a lot of athletes spouses engage in toleomery?

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like, oh yeah, patrick mahomes and he was in town at bottle blonde.

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We have insiders that told us allegedly I don't want to get in trouble that he had a threesome with two bottle girls there and that that happens often and you have basketball players, wives that allow that, you can have, you know, one affair a year, you know?

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I mean, I guess if they're gonna do it six, though probably yeah, it'd be probably like every time they go out of town right and in baseball season.

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How many times?

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How many times a year is that like 77?

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I mean no more.

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No, that's 181 games, 81 away games, and you know I guess, if they're going to do it, you may as well have an honest, open communication about it and know all the details, know all the facts.

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That leads me to.

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I get a lot of messages from couples.

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Okay.

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That's a thing now.

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I guess they want to bring you in.

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Yeah, but it's not even on my profiles that that's what I'm looking for, or anything like that are you on?

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like the fetish apps?

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that's it well, we had a guest that was it's always on tinder, though.

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It's always on tinder okay yeah interesting well I have heard that tinder is more of a hookup app, I think I was on tinder when it came out to the point where you were running out of people to swipe.

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That's when I was on it.

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That's when I was on it Back in like 2011, 2012.

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That's the only time I've ever been on.

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It was back then when it first came out, and I remember that would happen to me.

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There's no more people in your area.

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That would happen to me all the time I'd swipe, and swipe, and swipe, and then pretty soon it'd be like you have no more available matches and I'd be like, well, I haven't even swiped right on anybody yet Like what?

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And then for guys like 95% of likes happen to 95% of the guys.

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I've read that statistics.

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That's kind of sad.

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No, the other way.

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95% of likes happen to 5% of the guys, so it's the lesser percentage of the guys.

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Yeah, so it's a tough.

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It's a tough go out there for guys on dating apps.

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So getting into the celebrity cut?

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I hear that.

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So Jessica Biel apparently is a totally overest.

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Really Well no.

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I mean he said single.

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He's like Jessica Biel, call me.

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She's like my North Star.

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Is she really?

00:30:41.442 --> 00:30:42.825
She's your hall pass.

00:30:42.950 --> 00:30:49.557
If I had a like I don't think I have a type, but if I had a type it would be her type, that kind of style of a girl.

00:30:50.050 --> 00:30:52.778
But doesn't Justin Timberlake cheat a lot on her, Like we know?

00:30:52.857 --> 00:30:53.519
Alicia Jessica Biel.

00:30:53.921 --> 00:30:56.032
Yeah, like we know, he cheated with Alicia.

00:30:56.053 --> 00:30:57.634
Oh, I, I'm mixing her up with.

00:30:58.656 --> 00:31:01.541
Jessica Alba yes, she's single.

00:31:01.582 --> 00:31:03.451
She's single, she is beautiful, I mean.

00:31:03.490 --> 00:31:06.881
Jessica Biel in person is holy moly.

00:31:06.881 --> 00:31:08.355
Not like met her, but I've seen her.

00:31:08.355 --> 00:31:12.538
I didn't like, wasn't introduced to her, but she is stunningly beautiful.

00:31:12.739 --> 00:31:16.597
She's naturally pretty, yes, but Jessica Alba is as well, both of them.

00:31:16.617 --> 00:31:19.192
Yeah, that's my North Star, jessica.

00:31:19.292 --> 00:31:19.614
Alba.

00:31:19.634 --> 00:31:26.711
So Jessica Biel kind of turns a blind eye, in the sense that we know he cheated with Alicia, with who?

00:31:26.711 --> 00:31:29.960
They were in New Orleans, on a balcony for all the public to see.

00:31:29.980 --> 00:31:30.320
With who?

00:31:31.090 --> 00:31:32.635
An actress that he was doing a movie with.

00:31:32.635 --> 00:31:33.720
He was filming in New Orleans.

00:31:33.810 --> 00:31:37.037
Oh, I kind of remember this happening and then he had to issue the apology.

00:31:37.289 --> 00:31:38.315
But that's not the first time.

00:31:45.269 --> 00:31:47.696
So I guess I did some research and I guess olivia mon him and olivia mon had a thing okay and she forgave him for that.

00:31:47.696 --> 00:31:48.440
Jessica bill forgave him for that.

00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:53.877
When you have access it is so it would be temptation would be so hard, it doesn't matter how good looking the girl is.

00:31:54.199 --> 00:31:54.641
It's true.

00:31:54.641 --> 00:31:57.990
You're why you're the girl that you have at home like the woman that you have at home.

00:31:57.990 --> 00:31:59.834
It doesn't woman that you have at home.

00:31:59.874 --> 00:32:00.334
It doesn't matter.

00:32:00.334 --> 00:32:07.844
It's a terrible thing to say, but sometimes you're only as faithful as your options.

00:32:08.846 --> 00:32:11.317
It's true, and self-control can be hard.

00:32:11.770 --> 00:32:16.893
As a man if you have all these women just offering themselves to you like men?

00:32:16.893 --> 00:32:18.699
It would be hard for a lot of them to say no.

00:32:19.269 --> 00:32:33.349
The thing I have to combat that is just keep yourself out of those situations, mm-hmm, because you know, if you do that and you kind of know, like not necessarily that you're a cheater, you don't have to be a cheater.

00:32:33.349 --> 00:32:39.218
But if you're out and about and something crazy goes down, like, keep yourself out of those situations, that's all.

00:32:41.670 --> 00:32:42.432
Well, and again, all this is alleged.

00:32:42.451 --> 00:32:47.753
I mean I guess it's tough when you're an actor and you're in a movie with someone that's a 15 on a scale of one to ten, right?

00:32:48.355 --> 00:32:58.215
and especially if you're playing a romantic role with them, like where you're having to be like lovey and touchy on set and then you're having to spend all this time with them off set as well it makes it hard.

00:32:58.215 --> 00:32:59.160
Yeah, I've heard.

00:32:59.180 --> 00:33:03.094
It's like known allegedly that Justin Timberlake cheats all the time.

00:33:03.094 --> 00:33:03.996
Like I forget.

00:33:03.996 --> 00:33:14.444
It was someone we knew had told us that she went to his concert and, like his bodyguard came up to her and was like hey, justin wants to take you home, kind of propositioned her and she's like a he's married, absolutely not.

00:33:14.484 --> 00:33:23.903
And b I'm married absolutely well, and and I've also heard rumors that Justin Timberlake is sort of fluid because remember when he got the DUI?

00:33:23.903 --> 00:33:29.061
Yes, apparently in the toxicology report there were poppers in his bloodstream.

00:33:29.789 --> 00:33:31.515
You guys are throwing it out there.

00:33:32.738 --> 00:33:45.041
Jeez, apparently, and one of like the antivirals that is like a prep, that is like an HIV prep drug Suppose I don't know.

00:33:45.041 --> 00:33:48.836
And it's funny because I was the time that this report came out.

00:33:48.836 --> 00:33:55.714
I was hanging out with my cousin and his husband and my cousin, who's obviously gay, he's married to a man.

00:33:55.714 --> 00:33:56.613
He was like.

00:33:56.613 --> 00:34:02.588
He was like do you know anybody that's straight, that does poppers and is on prep?

00:34:02.950 --> 00:34:21.887
and I was like no no, I guess I guess not like the hiv prep like the like, like, and so he's like, no, like what what's in his toxicology report is fairly like it's public yeah, like, like it sort of has implications that he might, you know, swing both ways that's funny.

00:34:22.309 --> 00:34:25.884
So when I was about 18, living in japan, I was at hmv.

00:34:25.884 --> 00:34:28.610
Do you remember hmv this is gonna age me where they sold the cds?

00:34:28.610 --> 00:34:31.005
No, you don't remember hmv.

00:34:31.025 --> 00:34:44.275
Maybe it's in english virgin records or taiwan records yeah, kind of hmv was were they in the states or was it just it might be in the years then yeah, anyhow, me and my dutch friend were there and this guy comes up to us and says hey, nsync are playing upstairs on the seventh floor.

00:34:44.315 --> 00:34:44.936
Do you want to come in?

00:34:44.936 --> 00:34:46.201
I'll give you front row access.

00:34:46.201 --> 00:34:48.286
And this was in 2000, so they were pretty new.

00:34:48.286 --> 00:34:51.099
I had heard their songs but I didn't know of them.

00:34:51.099 --> 00:34:52.262
I didn't know the songs were them.

00:34:52.262 --> 00:34:59.367
So we're like sure, so we go up and you know watching them dance and sing and I did know the song, so I was kind of singing along.

00:34:59.367 --> 00:35:01.731
The manager after said, hey, come meet them backstage.

00:35:01.731 --> 00:35:03.981
So we're backstage and I said to Joey for a turn.00:35:03.981 --> 00:35:06.327


I'm like, oh my god, I didn't know who you guys were.00:35:06.327 --> 00:35:07.311


Like you guys were great.00:35:07.311 --> 00:35:08.864


And he's like you didn't know who we were.00:35:08.864 --> 00:35:10.869


Huh, how come you knew all the lyrics to our songs?00:35:11.251 --> 00:35:15.891


I'm like, oh shit he totally called me out and I'm like well, I knew the songs, I just didn't know that it was you.00:35:16.420 --> 00:35:18.322


so he's like we want to go to party tonight.00:35:18.322 --> 00:35:19.164


Where should we go?00:35:19.164 --> 00:35:20.465


I'm like like Lexington Queen.00:35:20.465 --> 00:35:23.449


That's the club I used to frequent and where all the celebrities used to go.00:35:23.449 --> 00:35:25.893


We go to the Lexington Queen that night.00:35:25.893 --> 00:35:34.610


We're hanging out with them in the VIP and I could have heard wrong because the music was loud, but I'm pretty sure me and my Dutch friend heard the same thing.00:35:34.610 --> 00:35:42.148


We were talking to Joey Fatone and he says to us yeah, I'd have you do me in the ass, but my ass is kind of big so that might be kind of dangerous.00:35:42.148 --> 00:35:46.507


Ew, and I swear that's what we heard, but again the music was loud.00:35:46.527 --> 00:35:53.362


We could be wrong, and so we were 18 years old Before it was cool we went to an all-girls Catholic school run by nuns.00:35:53.382 --> 00:35:55.826


So we were like, oh, we were like scurrying away.00:35:55.826 --> 00:35:58.429


Oh my God, that's.00:35:58.670 --> 00:36:03.795


You also have to remember more than likely they could just be getting bored all the time.00:36:04.300 --> 00:36:06.869


That's true From the amount of girls that they've had.00:36:07.539 --> 00:36:09.547


I mean they were popular before social media.00:36:09.547 --> 00:36:14.329


Yeah, it's true, so it's a whole different ballgame back then.00:36:14.409 --> 00:36:14.751


Yeah.00:36:14.860 --> 00:36:17.606


Like when Motley Crue was around and they were doing stuff.00:36:17.606 --> 00:36:19.893


It's crazy yeah.00:36:20.019 --> 00:36:20.820


Well, and there's no.00:36:20.820 --> 00:36:28.755


That's the thing that we always talk about is like, back then there was no cameras recording everything like people's cell phones weren't out recording everything.00:36:28.755 --> 00:36:34.572


Think of the stuff they got away with yeah, yes, that they were able to say and that will never.00:36:35.172 --> 00:36:57.264


I bet they hate social media because they probably were able to get away with so much debauchery back then like cheating, and now can't get away, but same with like athletes too, like it's the same for every high profile, I feel like every high profile the dallas cowboys literally had a house called the party house and the party boat when they were in the 90s and it was girls and cocaine.00:36:57.365 --> 00:37:11.219


24 7 hookers and blow baby and nobody has any recollection of it, because yeah, of course it's like the mandela effect right, like if we just tell you, it never happened it never happens.00:37:11.740 --> 00:37:13.224


So where do you take someone on a first date?00:37:13.643 --> 00:37:17.952


a restaurant, um, yeah, probably like, depends I.00:37:17.952 --> 00:37:24.192


I like I would like to go on hikes on a first date, but I don't think it's probably something that they would like.00:37:24.192 --> 00:37:26.806


It also can seem cheap.00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:30.048


Are you dating women that don't have the same interests as you?00:37:30.369 --> 00:37:32.489


I'm not saying that I just think as a first date.00:37:32.528 --> 00:37:38.327


they might think I'm cheap or something, because I want to go on a hike, I see, but then you don't want those kind of women, right?00:37:38.327 --> 00:37:40.161


I know some women expect like a fancy meal.00:37:40.161 --> 00:37:42.503


But I, I know some women expect like a fancy meal but I don't do that either.00:37:42.563 --> 00:37:52.331


I go like in the middle Pizza's great, by the way because it's like takes a long time to make, it's not like $250 or something like that, that's true.00:37:52.331 --> 00:37:56.675


And you can sit there and talk and stuff like that for a while you know what restaurant I like?00:37:56.876 --> 00:37:59.681


It's in the Tempe Chandler area Rigatoni's.00:37:59.681 --> 00:38:01.224


It's italian family-run restaurant.00:38:01.224 --> 00:38:01.704


Have you been there?00:38:01.704 --> 00:38:03.168


I've been there.00:38:03.367 --> 00:38:04.951


It's so good right didn't you do that together?00:38:05.070 --> 00:38:05.231


once.00:38:05.231 --> 00:38:06.253


Why is that funny?00:38:06.253 --> 00:38:16.989


Jeez, there's gotta be something behind that anyway, every entree comes with a salad and it's salami and cheeses, it's so good, you dated the owner I typically well, no, I.00:38:17.050 --> 00:38:20.204


So I typically don't like leave my bubble to go on dates.00:38:20.204 --> 00:38:27.875


I've never been there on a date, but I'm pretty sure my ex I'm pretty sure that was like his mom's favorite restaurant so like we.00:38:27.875 --> 00:38:31.306


We went there a couple of times yeah, isn't the food good?00:38:31.346 --> 00:38:32.007


yeah, it was good.00:38:32.007 --> 00:38:33.331


I like it because they have a lot of options.00:38:33.331 --> 00:38:36.329


I kind of got sick of the typical italian food.00:38:36.329 --> 00:38:44.974


They have a lot of different dishes that have like a white sauce, like a creamy garlic parmesan sauce, or they have such variety, yeah, I do love restaurants.00:38:45.059 --> 00:38:52.088


It's like, probably, if I had to pick one thing to do, that wasn't like a sporting event or a concert or something I like going to different restaurants.00:38:52.088 --> 00:38:52.389


What's your?00:38:52.389 --> 00:38:58.532


Favorite restaurant I don't say I'm a foodie, because I'm very picky when it comes to food, but I do like trying new foods.00:38:58.532 --> 00:39:00.902


My favorite restaurant is Dominic's, for sure.00:39:01.021 --> 00:39:04.125


Oh, I like Dominic's when for pizza, though.00:39:04.545 --> 00:39:05.846


So I'm a pizza snob.00:39:05.945 --> 00:39:07.748


Are you Absolute pizza snob?00:39:08.068 --> 00:39:17.137


I'm from Chicago and deep dish is not Chicago-style pizza, so let's get that out of the way, you might want to say that into that camera.00:39:17.177 --> 00:39:17.356


It's from.00:39:17.396 --> 00:39:18.016


Chicago.00:39:18.016 --> 00:39:24.170


It's not Chicago-style Tavern-style which I don't even like calling it that, but that's what everyone calls it.00:39:24.170 --> 00:39:25.293


Now, that's not from Chicago.00:39:25.293 --> 00:39:28.469


It's like thinner but cut in squares.00:39:28.469 --> 00:39:29.985


That's my favorite kind.00:39:29.985 --> 00:39:32.340


The best pizza in Arizona.00:39:32.340 --> 00:39:33.726


It's not even close.00:39:33.726 --> 00:39:36.768


Nobody's heard of it because it's way the F out there.00:39:36.768 --> 00:39:37.690


It's in Surprise.00:39:37.690 --> 00:39:41.905


It's off of Bell 60 in the 303 area.00:39:41.905 --> 00:39:44.148


It's called Dino's D-E-N-O-S.00:39:44.148 --> 00:39:45.989


It's the best, the best.00:39:46.010 --> 00:39:47.132


That's way outside my bubble.00:39:47.132 --> 00:39:47.811


Yes, it's super fun.00:39:47.811 --> 00:39:49.954


I'd have to pack an overnight bag.00:39:51.539 --> 00:39:52.443


You'd need to passport.00:39:52.443 --> 00:39:53.447


I used to live out there, so it was easier.00:39:53.447 --> 00:39:55.416


That's the weather out there right now, exactly what's the time?00:39:55.416 --> 00:39:58.043


Yeah, it's too fun.00:39:58.143 --> 00:40:01.327


What's Look in Scottsdale area?00:40:01.327 --> 00:40:05.753


I would say Vito's Italian restaurant on us.00:40:05.773 --> 00:40:06.494


Isn't that in Mesa?00:40:07.014 --> 00:40:07.295


No no.00:40:07.416 --> 00:40:07.715


Vito's.00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:11.570


There is one in there, but there's another, vito's.00:40:11.570 --> 00:40:14.969


It's on Scottsdale and Pinnacle Peak area.00:40:14.969 --> 00:40:19.364


Lou Malnati's Thin Crust is fantastic, Lou Malnati's.00:40:19.425 --> 00:40:20.010


I've heard of that.00:40:20.010 --> 00:40:23.731


I live right across the street from the Lumalnati's in Arcadia.00:40:24.742 --> 00:40:26.730


And that's what I always get the thin crust.00:40:26.980 --> 00:40:32.251


I get the thin crust with, I can always get spicy giardiniera on top too.00:40:32.472 --> 00:40:37.592


So good, that's a blast for me, for pizza, it is, I mean for me, I only get cheese.00:40:38.034 --> 00:40:40.166


Oh, you only get cheese, that's like traditional pizza.00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.922


OK, so when I rate a pizza, it has to be how do you feel about the trevor's hype?00:40:44.922 --> 00:40:48.670


Um, so I'm not a neapolitan guy.00:40:48.670 --> 00:40:55.974


It's good for neapolitan but, I would never give a neapolitan like over, like a seven eight okay, what is a neapolitan?00:40:55.974 --> 00:41:01.706


It's like where the kind of pizza you get in italy like the oven baked like when it's stone like in the.00:41:01.706 --> 00:41:06.411


But, by the way, I've been to italy and their neapolitan slaps.00:41:06.572 --> 00:41:10.842


It is so good out there so we're not, we're not doing it right here it's good, it's just not.00:41:10.902 --> 00:41:20.130


It not like not authentic portnoy rated it super high, so it's like getting really famous because of it but, he likes new york style, like that kind of stuff.00:41:20.130 --> 00:41:35.882


And then the last one is spinatos is very good, but you have to like um sweet sauce, because I feel, like they put sugar in the sauce it's really good, but yeah, those are my three dino's is by far the best so you're probably going to kill me for saying this, but I love grimaldi.00:41:35.902 --> 00:41:36.704


Is that white people?00:41:36.724 --> 00:41:38.489


yeah, I don't not like grimaldi really.00:41:38.489 --> 00:41:41.726


Oh my god no, but it's like a cracker it's so thin.00:41:41.746 --> 00:41:42.789


yeah, I do like like lavash.00:41:42.789 --> 00:41:45.237


Yeah, I do like oregano for thin.00:41:45.257 --> 00:41:46.199


Oh yeah, Oregano is pretty good.00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:48.728


Oregano is pretty good, but I do not like remol.00:41:48.728 --> 00:41:57.563


I was in a B&I group for a while and that was where our weekly meetings were, and I was always like annoyed that I had to eat it for lunch once a week.00:41:58.724 --> 00:41:59.226


Ready for the meat?00:41:59.226 --> 00:42:01.768


Grab you, down for the challenge, up for the grab, willing to share.00:42:01.827 --> 00:42:09.036


I feel like you've been trying to hype me up and I keep overpassing what you guys are saying for me Pick a truth or dare.00:42:09.076 --> 00:42:14.423


Some questions are innocent, some are not so innocent.00:42:14.423 --> 00:42:15.766


Wait, you grab a dirty question.00:42:15.827 --> 00:42:16.487


Oh, okay.00:42:17.670 --> 00:42:18.471


It's not what you think.00:42:19.432 --> 00:42:20.934


Have you ever lied to get laid?00:42:20.934 --> 00:42:24.427


If so, tell us about it.00:42:24.447 --> 00:42:26.179


Well, that's lame, because no, you haven't no.00:42:26.179 --> 00:42:27.885


You know what, though?00:42:27.885 --> 00:42:30.407


Actually, it's interesting that you grab that question.00:42:30.407 --> 00:42:53.711


So I have a friend, an old friend, who we used to go out in Old Town, scottsdale, like back when you and I were going out in like 2012-ish, and he was tall and he always wore a baseball cap, and so he would lie and he would say that he was in town for spring training and he would get laid so I'm sure who is this?00:42:53.952 --> 00:43:00.152


oh, you probably can't say I'm not gonna say his name, but you guys used to go out in old town all the time oh all the time.00:43:00.152 --> 00:43:00.923


I was the vip host at six.00:43:00.923 --> 00:43:01.427


What'd you say at six?00:43:01.427 --> 00:43:02.653


I was the vip host at six, all the time, oh, all the time.00:43:02.673 --> 00:43:03.177


I was the VIP host at six.00:43:03.177 --> 00:43:03.619


What'd you say At six?00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:05.025


I was the VIP host at six.00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:06.907


I used to go to six all the time.00:43:07.543 --> 00:43:09.333


Yeah, I was the VIP host there for two years.00:43:09.333 --> 00:43:10.159


Oh, that's so funny.00:43:10.300 --> 00:43:12.813


Didn't they have the doors that fogged up for the bathroom?00:43:12.813 --> 00:43:13.820


Yeah, the foggy doors In the bathroom.00:43:16.364 --> 00:43:18.867


Yes, that's the best lounge, that old school.00:43:19.088 --> 00:43:20.489


I wish the old though.00:43:20.610 --> 00:43:21.512


I'm swayed, do you remember?00:43:21.532 --> 00:43:26.610


swayed yeah of course missed access sanctuary those are the good old days.00:43:26.690 --> 00:43:33.974


I know I'd hate to be in my 20s now having to deal with Maya she's so lame so lame and the lines are out of control.00:43:33.994 --> 00:43:35.900


Now it's different, I guess.00:43:37.284 --> 00:43:37.806


I'm bummed.00:43:37.806 --> 00:43:38.146


What a, what a.00:43:38.166 --> 00:43:44.530


You want to pick another one, sure can I that's nice that you're so honest and you've never lied to get laid.00:43:44.530 --> 00:43:46.865


He's a keeper, guys.00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:49.126


He's tall and he's honest.00:43:49.126 --> 00:43:50.009


What, what?00:43:50.009 --> 00:43:52.208


It's like a unicorn.00:43:52.208 --> 00:43:52.489


There you go.00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:58.311


Okay, this is weird because there's a question and then there's a question taped over the question.00:43:58.380 --> 00:44:02.306


Some of the questions were too naughty, so read Some of the questions were too naughty, so do read the one that's taped.00:44:02.327 --> 00:44:02.547


Oh no, or it?00:44:02.567 --> 00:44:04.009


could have been a dare.00:44:04.009 --> 00:44:04.951


Some of them were dares.00:44:06.293 --> 00:44:09.443


Let me tape the person I don't even know.00:44:09.523 --> 00:44:10.204


It was a dare.00:44:10.204 --> 00:44:11.487


It was a dare, would you?00:44:11.728 --> 00:44:12.550


Oh yeah, it was a dare.00:44:12.550 --> 00:44:12.952


It was a dare.00:44:12.952 --> 00:44:16.748


Would you be open to a polyamorous relationship?00:44:16.748 --> 00:44:19.032


Great question, I would not.00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:20.300


You would not.00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:21.143


No no.00:44:21.362 --> 00:44:23.007


What if there were two girls that were beautiful?00:44:23.007 --> 00:44:23.768


That?00:44:23.809 --> 00:44:25.713


always sounds great.00:44:25.713 --> 00:44:27.342


On paper it does just.00:44:27.342 --> 00:44:29.811


I cannot see how that would work long term.00:44:29.811 --> 00:44:33.126


Every person I've known that's done that.00:44:33.126 --> 00:44:36.132


Let's be nice about this.00:44:36.132 --> 00:44:38.306


That is attractive.00:44:38.306 --> 00:44:39.230


It doesn't work.00:44:39.230 --> 00:44:42.681


Somebody gets mad at some point and it goes downhill, it always't work.00:44:42.681 --> 00:44:45.166


Somebody gets mad at some point and it goes downhill.00:44:45.166 --> 00:44:49.974


The only time it works is when the couples are less than attractive.00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:54.726


I like how I was trying to be so politically correct.00:44:55.730 --> 00:45:02.554


Here's the thing it's like when you think of a nude beach and you think it's going to be the best thing ever because everyone's naked.00:45:02.554 --> 00:45:05.329


And then you go to a nude beach and everyone's there.00:45:05.329 --> 00:45:07.900


You do not want to see me uh-huh every single person.00:45:08.382 --> 00:45:09.547


It's so true it's like those results.00:45:09.547 --> 00:45:10.331


Is it hedonism?00:45:10.331 --> 00:45:20.204


Yeah, like I've heard that all the people that sounds like yes I'm not so politically correct yes but yeah, I've heard they're not attractive at all, uh-huh and this is true.00:45:20.204 --> 00:45:24.871


I've heard that people carry around towels to sit on the chairs because you don't want to put like your naked butt on the chair.00:45:24.871 --> 00:45:29.327


I wouldn't want to put my naked butt on the chair, but it's just funny how everyone's naked yeah.00:45:29.547 --> 00:45:37.237


So I ran into a guy in Newport that was super rich and had the biggest house, one of the biggest houses I've ever seen.00:45:37.237 --> 00:45:39.103


He had those kind of swingers parties.00:45:39.103 --> 00:45:50.853


He was a thousand years old and his girlfriend was a lot younger, but still wasn't anything to talk about and that's what was at their parties.00:45:51.335 --> 00:45:56.989


From what I was told just I don't know because I never went to one, but still I promise I did, six isn't last.00:45:57.028 --> 00:46:03.228


Yes, yes like if there's not, you're never going to go to one of those parties where it's tens all over the place.00:46:03.369 --> 00:46:04.351


Yeah, that's true.00:46:04.351 --> 00:46:09.027


So have you ever had a threesome Like a polyamorous relationship for one night?00:46:09.521 --> 00:46:11.079


Is that polyamorous or is it a threesome?00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:13.481


Well, I mean like, three people, a throuple for one night.00:46:13.481 --> 00:46:14.802


For one night.00:46:14.862 --> 00:46:17.684


I mean yes a threesome.00:46:17.684 --> 00:46:22.947


It's just a threesome I'm trying to.00:46:22.947 --> 00:46:25.690


I was super young, I was like 20.00:46:25.690 --> 00:46:27.692


I was on spring break.00:46:27.771 --> 00:46:28.452


You didn't enjoy it.00:46:28.612 --> 00:46:29.653


No, I enjoyed it.00:46:29.653 --> 00:46:31.695


It was just not the best scenario.00:46:31.695 --> 00:46:32.556


It was a shower.00:46:33.697 --> 00:46:35.277


Oh, so physically it wasn't.00:46:35.378 --> 00:46:36.298


Yeah, it was fine.00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:37.179


Yeah, it was fine.00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.434


But it never came around opportunity-wise again.00:46:40.454 --> 00:46:41.380


Yeah, once you developed.00:46:41.380 --> 00:46:42.726


How do you approach that anyways?00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:44.929


Like opportunity-wise again, yeah, once you develop.00:46:44.929 --> 00:46:45.434


How do you approach that?00:46:45.434 --> 00:46:45.960


Anyways, like I don't know.00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:47.465


Why don't you guys keep?00:46:47.545 --> 00:46:48.387


your faces.00:46:50.161 --> 00:46:51.847


So how did that threesome transpire?00:46:51.847 --> 00:46:53.284


Were you dating one of the girls?00:46:53.340 --> 00:46:54.445


No, no, it was spring break.00:46:55.380 --> 00:46:55.681


I'm like.00:46:55.702 --> 00:46:56.766


I'm going to go take a shower.00:46:56.766 --> 00:46:58.286


If anyone wants to join me, they can.00:46:58.286 --> 00:47:00.282


And two of them took you up on the offer.00:47:00.282 --> 00:47:02.184


They're girlfriends, they're friends, they were friends.00:47:02.907 --> 00:47:05.170


Okay, I feel like that's how it happens in college.00:47:05.190 --> 00:47:06.793


Spring break was fun Spring break, yeah.00:47:07.273 --> 00:47:08.195


Did you have any other questions?00:47:08.195 --> 00:47:10.572


I don't no.00:47:10.572 --> 00:47:11.076


Did you have any?00:47:11.115 --> 00:47:11.458


other questions.00:47:11.458 --> 00:47:11.780


You just jumped.00:47:11.780 --> 00:47:13.567


I have tons for you, but you guys.00:47:14.300 --> 00:47:17.282


I knew he was going to say that that's far away.00:47:17.382 --> 00:47:20.945


Well, more on apps, let's say.00:47:20.945 --> 00:47:30.072


I think the whole good morning, good night texts are overplayed.00:47:30.432 --> 00:47:30.552


What.00:47:30.552 --> 00:47:32.235


I don't see why people have an issue with that.00:47:32.235 --> 00:47:32.994


I love that.00:47:32.994 --> 00:47:34.396


Good morning, have a good night.00:47:34.416 --> 00:47:37.244


I agree Because it shows they're thinking of you Every single day.00:47:37.244 --> 00:47:41.829


I feel like is forced, then, If it's like clockwork, like structured.00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:47.371


Do you mean so, like I've heard of women who get upset when they don't get?00:47:47.472 --> 00:47:48.052


the good morning.00:47:48.052 --> 00:47:49.585


Is that what you're talking about?00:47:49.585 --> 00:47:51.172


I'm talking about both to be honest.00:47:51.380 --> 00:48:14.932


So like that's that we've talked about this on episodes before and like for me, like I am not a person who needs to be like in constant communication with someone, I think it depends on the person's communication style, because I think there are a lot of women out there who are like they need that validation from the guy that they're that's them.00:48:14.932 --> 00:48:20.380


Yes, that's a them problem not the guy that they're talking to's problem.00:48:20.581 --> 00:48:26.347


When a girl asks me if I miss them, I want to not talk to them anymore that's kind of creepy.00:48:26.367 --> 00:48:27.690


Do you miss me like?00:48:27.751 --> 00:49:01.119


if I did, I would say so, yeah, and I probably don't miss many people, if anybody, except maybe my daughter, daughters, my daughters, like I'm gonna probably see you enough that I'm not gonna miss you yeah like if I'm a long distance dating somebody, then yes, I'll probably miss them at some point yeah but like yeah sometimes it's all about them wanting to hear I know it's words of affirmation all the time the constant, I think so when I was single, a lot of guys, you know, wouldn't text me throughout the day because they have so many girls on the hop.00:49:01.201 --> 00:49:03.485


You didn't really feel wanted or desired or pursued.00:49:03.485 --> 00:49:09.771


So one thing I really did love about my husband was he made me feel like he was constantly thinking of me, like hey, good morning.00:49:09.771 --> 00:49:15.389


And I never expected him to text me and I didn't get upset if he didn't, but it was nice to know that he was thinking of me.00:49:15.389 --> 00:49:23.753


When he woke up before he went to bed, it just felt like oh, so I have a caveat not a caveat like a story for that.00:49:24.061 --> 00:49:33.409


Someone I was dating long distance said that if you do that too much, it makes me not wonder what you're doing.00:49:33.409 --> 00:49:36.900


Like want to talk to you, that kind of stuff.00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:48.750


This is my thing, because I'm not attracted to men who aren't productive, and so if you're too available during the day, it makes me think like, what are you doing?00:49:48.750 --> 00:49:50.306


Like, are you not busy enough?00:49:50.306 --> 00:49:54.210


Like, are you just like home playing video games?00:49:54.210 --> 00:49:55.827


Like and that's unattractive to me.00:49:55.827 --> 00:50:13.608


Like, if a guy is too, like, if they seem like they have too much downtime or if they seem like they're not a productive person, it I don't like that because I kind of like the game a bit like you, kind of like a guy to kind of leave you, leave you wondering, but it's not a game.00:50:14.130 --> 00:50:22.003


I just want somebody who's as busy as I am, because I think it might be a little game I think it might be I think you like a guy that's what I said to.00:50:22.023 --> 00:50:26.853


What I said to her it's like because I liked her and I wanted to be like.00:50:26.853 --> 00:50:34.949


You know, I have things to do, I'm just sometimes I want to hear from you or let you know that I'm thinking about you.00:50:34.949 --> 00:50:39.990


And to her it was more about not always knowing everything.00:50:39.990 --> 00:50:41.032


I'm thinking all the time.00:50:41.032 --> 00:50:42.623


It wasn't that, I wasn't busy.00:50:42.623 --> 00:50:45.592


She knew I'm thinking all the time it wasn't that I wasn't busy.00:50:45.632 --> 00:50:51.402


Yeah, she knew I was busy all the time but, I just don't feel like I need to know via text every little thing that you're doing, because then what do you talk about when you're in person?00:50:51.702 --> 00:51:13.431


And there, well, there's the and this is what my pullback was is like you have to navigate a long distance relationship if you don't know how to do that, and then some things that you think you might want to do because it's long distance, you do but might not be the best way to go about it because you're treating it like it's not a long distance.00:51:13.431 --> 00:51:20.978


So if someone was down the street and they're constantly texting you and you're going to see them, it's a little bit different than if you see somebody once a month.00:51:22.420 --> 00:51:22.800


Yeah, that's true.00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:36.661


I think there just needs to be a conversation about, like, what is expected as far as communication goes yeah, sometimes I'm overly communicative yeah, but I think that's good, though I think that I mean I either am or I'm not at all.00:51:36.922 --> 00:51:39.126


Yeah and that's that brings me to another question.00:51:39.126 --> 00:51:57.724


So there's you could meet somebody that you connect with in ways that still may not make you want to be in a relationship with them, but there's other things that are good about it yeah and girls sometimes think that you're doing that because you're a player, but it's not the case.00:51:58.385 --> 00:52:10.639


It's like we have a good time when we're together, but I know that you do certain things or your lifestyle is a certain way that I would not want to be in a long-term relationship with you, which is fine, as long as you're honest with her about that.00:52:11.019 --> 00:52:16.108


Yeah, when you say that they tell you you're a liar or you know it's like that's not the case.00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:20.186


Well, and I think this culture of like it is a hookup culture too.00:52:20.186 --> 00:52:26.943


It's a hookup culture.00:52:26.943 --> 00:52:32.980


It's a hookup culture and people think that men, adult, grown, adult men and women can't be friends with each other without there being either like sexual desires or whatever.00:52:32.980 --> 00:52:40.766


Like it's like adult, mature, adult men and women can be friends with each other without it being romantic.00:52:40.766 --> 00:52:41.829


Do you agree?00:52:41.829 --> 00:52:42.451


Do you not agree?00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:44.889


The smile on your face tells me you do not agree with that.00:52:44.889 --> 00:52:53.806


I think if there's situations like if you're married or if I was friends with your husband or your boyfriend, then yes, we could be friends.00:52:53.806 --> 00:53:01.411


I think that if you're attractive and I'm friends with an attractive person, it would be crazy for me.00:53:01.952 --> 00:53:02.193


Yeah.00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:04.586


Yeah, I don't think I could be friends with an attractive girl.00:53:04.967 --> 00:53:05.931


Huh, interesting.00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:09.786


I mean, I definitely could be friends with them and plus it's a two way street, it doesn't matter.00:53:09.786 --> 00:53:13.019


Yeah, if she's not wanting to do that with me, then we could still be friends.00:53:13.019 --> 00:53:18.565


But like everyone says, if tomorrow he goes, you know let's.00:53:18.565 --> 00:53:21.407


If you said to him, let's hook up, he would do it in a heartbeat.00:53:21.507 --> 00:53:23.610


Yeah, More than likely yeah absolutely.00:53:23.690 --> 00:53:29.434


That's more than likely what's going to happen If you're both, if you're attractive to the person, it's tough.00:53:29.434 --> 00:53:29.795


It is.00:53:29.795 --> 00:53:30.496


That would be tough.00:53:30.655 --> 00:53:32.056


Yeah Well, that's a wrap.00:53:32.056 --> 00:53:36.565


Thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of the Meat Market and thank you so much, kevin.00:53:36.565 --> 00:53:45.603


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Oh my god, I just totally got catfished.00:54:02.074 --> 00:54:02.900


he looks absolutely nothing like his picture.00:54:02.900 --> 00:54:03.193


See you next week at the meat market.00:54:03.193 --> 00:54:05.344


Thank you, oh my God, I just totally got catfished.00:54:05.344 --> 00:54:07.387


He looks absolutely nothing like his picture.00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:12.492


So I found out, the guy that I've been dating is married with kids.00:54:12.492 --> 00:54:14.626


His wife just reached out to me.