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Oh my God, I just totally got catfished.

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He looks absolutely nothing like his picture.

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So I found out, the guy that I've been dating is married with kids.

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His wife just reached out to me.

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Welcome to the Meat Market.

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The single scene is a slaughterhouse and we are here to devour it.

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We are your hosts, I'm Lindsay and I'm Jess, and today we have a professional dominatrix in the house.

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Hillary meet Hillary.

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Thank you so much for being here.

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Thank you.

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So I want to know what is your craziest session or craziest client?

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Oh, my goodness, craziest client.

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I get a lot of requests for water sports.

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What so golden showers?

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What that was going to be a question.

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I was thinking synchronized swimming.

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That's what I was thinking too.

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So do you engage in these golden showers?

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I do, I do, yeah.

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So what do you do in the bathtub?

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And you just stand over?

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them.

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It just depends.

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So it depends on what kind of scene that we want to set up for it.

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But yeah, usually it's in a bathroom and I'm very good with control, so it's it's not like it's a big you know what's funny?

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I hear that's very common.

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I know have you ever had a guy ask you to do that I haven't either.

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I haven't either, but I it is it like it, like, like, so like.

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I always pee in the shower, but it creeps me out to have even the thought of somebody else's pee on my feet in the shower, like I can't even imagine so it does not go the other way.

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For me, no, like that's, that's never happening.

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You're only the giver of the shower.

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Have you had a request for the other one, poop?

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I know that I have.

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I am not interested in that whatsoever.

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No, no, it doesn't do it for me.

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And then even just like logistically, so am I going to drink a coffee and then like we hang out for 30 minutes and then I'm like, all right, you know you got to go.

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Yeah, that's true, let's do it.

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You have to have pretty good control over your and especially as a healthcare provider that is just.

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Yeah.

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So has a guy ever wanted to pee on you?

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Okay, so this is what's interesting.

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So I enjoy doing those things professionally, but not personally.

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So personally I like very traditional standard relationships and you know I'm a little kinky, but I don't engage in those things in my personal relationships and so just professionally.

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So men never do that to me because I'm always in the dominant dynamic have you ever had a guy that you're dating ask you to do it Like that you're dating personally?

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Not, that's a client of yours as a dominatrix.

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I have not, so I tend to date very masculine alpha men, and so I like them to be in the dominant role and I like to be submissive with them, and so it's not something that they're really interested in so that makes sense.

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So when you're working as a professional dominatrix, you are in charge, you are in control, but when it's your personal life, you like to switch the roles.

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Isn't that why a lot of men want to be with a professional dominatrix?

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Because in their work they're the ones telling people what to do, and under so much stress being in charge that they just want to let loose and have someone tell them.

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Isn't that the psychology behind it?

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It's exactly what it is.

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So it's typically entrepreneurs, you know, men who are making a billion decisions a day, and they want a time where they can have a blank slate, where you're not thinking about everything and you just want someone to tell you what to do, and so that's, that's kind of the psychology behind it.

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So what was your last session?

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Oh, um, my last session.

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So I have this incredible submissive who comes from Texas to see me and he'll do like an intensive, so it's an extended stay, so he's here for the whole weekend and, um, I actually have something really fun that he brought me.

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So he does he stay with you?

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um, he does, he does in your house, very like in a guest bedroom um well, no, because so the whole thing is that he's my personal slave and so he he does not get to be on my furniture in my home.

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So, oh, does he sleep on the floor?

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He brings, brings a sleeping bag, and he sleeps on the floor because he does not get to be in my furniture.

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So that's just the dynamic we've worked out and that's what he wants his experience to be, and so I'm fine with it.

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But I have two German Shepherds and so they're also on the floor, and so I'm sure I don't think that man slept a minute, because I'm sure my dogs were just sniffing him all night and like walking around him and that's hilarious, so, anyways, so this is one of the gifts that he brought me, and so it's a flogger, but it's, um, it's pink rubber duckies, and I want to tie this in because we were just talking about jeeps and I have a pink jeep, and so the whole thing with jeeps is duck, duck, jeep.

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Right, you put little.

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Talking about jeeps and I have a pink jeep, and so the whole thing with jeeps is duck, duck, jeep.

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Right, you put little ducks on jeeps when you see all of the yeah, the jeeps or the ducks on the on the dash, yeah.

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So it's great because I have a pink jeep and it's all the little duckies and so do you thank him.

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Did you hit him with this?

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I did this one's more for funsies, because it's just, it's silly, it doesn't hurt.

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I want you to like hit me with it.

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I want you to like hit my leg with it.

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Hit me with your pizza.

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No, hit my leg with it.

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No, you would hit him Like it's not comfortable.

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No, if you really put you're barely like swinging it.

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It sounded like you were getting punched in the back.

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It would hurt.

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Is he bare Like?

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Is he bare skin?

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Do you hit him like when he has no?

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shirt on.

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Does he bend over?

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Is he on a spanking bench?

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So that's the exciting thing.

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So he loves to build furniture, so he has custom built all of my kink furniture for me, and so he built me a spanking bench.

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And then this time he brought me a saint andrews cross, so I have a saint andrews cross.

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What is that?

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It's the big x?

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um that you can like strap people to oh my, what do you do when they're strapped on there?

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Well, it depends on which way they're facing, you know, and so it's a lot of impact play, yeah, yeah.

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So that's crazy, so I brought, so I brought this, and then I brought the actual, my favorite flogger on the planet.

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It's incredible, it's so soft.

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Does that hurt when you whip it hard?

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It does, if it's hard.

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But oh yeah, is it leather?

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It is.

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Yeah.

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And I love that.

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It's just, it's such like an indulgent sensual experience, right, and so that's that's my whole thing, like I love indulgence and just experiencing everything and it smells like leather.

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You know how, when you walk into like the leather shop and it smells so good, I love the smell of leather.

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Yes, yes, so this is my favorite tool, but this one's just funsies and I feel like this is really my personality mixed in with it.

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So is this the client that you sit in your robe, tell that story and you shoot him or you call him certain names?

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Tell us that story, it's hilarious.

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I love this story.

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It was one of my favorite sessions.

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And yes, it is the same submissive, and so he's like my guinea pig, and so I try all of these different things out on him.

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And he had this idea of bringing in a nerf gun.

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But it's the ones that have, like the, the pellets, it's like the competitive nerf gun, and he wanted to see what it felt like, and so initially the plan was to um, you know, tie him up to something, do bondage with the toy.

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and then I was like no, I'd rather see you run around like a farm animal and shoot your target practice, exactly, exactly and so, um, so, yeah, no, I had him run across my hallway and I was just lounging in my robe with a glass of wine and I was just shooting him with this naked yeah, completely naked did, yeah, completely naked.

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Did he have like a ball gag or like a collar on?

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Yes.

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So I tied his wrist behind his back and I gave him a ball gag so he couldn't protect himself and so he ran across and I had target practice and it was one of the most.

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I can't even describe how fun and exhilarating and just hilarious that experience was, and the thing is it sounds cruel, right, it sounds embarrassing on his part, but it brought me so much joy and I was laughing so hard like I almost peed myself because I was laughing so hard and he loved that.

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He was bringing me so much joy.

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So it was fulfilling for him just to be a part of that, to be in that experience and just know that like that's just something crazy that you wouldn't experience any other way, you know, and so it was just, it was very fulfilling for him so we still talk about it.

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Is this the one that you call my little piggy?

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yes, yeah, yeah, I actually started learning how to rope like oh my gosh.

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Like yeah, so that, so that I can have him run around in my backyard and I can rope him.

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That's hilarious.

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I'm trying to get really good at catching a moving target.

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I did a bunch of research and professional dominatrixes.

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They're very, they're highly intelligent.

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They have PhDs, master's degrees.

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There's so much psychology behind it and there's an academy that you can go to.

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So you went to the academy right, yeah, so there's a few different programs, but yeah, I went to an academy and it's run by a PhD and she's been a dominatrix for decades, she's legendary and so it's so incredible to get that psychological foundation for it all, and especially because I'm a therapist.

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So it makes so much sense to me and I love knowing what's fueling people's kinks, what's working through their trauma and, you know, really going through a therapeutic way.

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And something that we talked about that I want to touch on, and if you were going to ask this, lens, I apologize, but we talked about this a little bit previously.

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You don't actually have intercourse with your clients correct, that's correct.

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And they don't even see you naked.

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No, no, I'm always clothed.

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That's what you're just telling them.

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What to?

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do and talking to them in a certain way, and you get paid big bucks like how much is your your average session, your cheapest session?

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um, I mean it's.

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It's usually around five hundred dollars an hour, so yeah and how long are like.

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Is an hour session common?

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Is the weekend session common?

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What's sort of the average session length?

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I would say between an hour and two hours.

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Okay.

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That's typical.

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The weekend session is not typical.

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That's something very special that him and I have worked out a dynamic with and he brings me so much value with the custom furniture that he's making me and all of these incredible gifts.

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So he brings value in that way and that's what it really is.

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It's just an exchange of energy, and so it's an exchange of his energy coming to serve me and, you know, adore me and revere me and worship me, and that's the whole reason that I do.

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What I do is that acts of service and the worship mentality.

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And even though they're not, even though you guys aren't having sex, they are getting sexual pleasure out of it, right?

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So it is sexual for the sub.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Have you ever had a sub proposition?

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You or try to get you to change your stance on that, like in the middle of a session.

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During a session do you have to deal with?

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that I'd say initially, initially, most try.

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So the true, true submissives know that that's not happening, okay, but initially, most people, especially people that are new to kink and new to the dynamic, they'll try, they'll ask you know, and so that's another thing that I teach in my comment or in my content is being so clear about boundaries, right, and it's.

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That is never happening.

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You are not the exception.

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It's never happening.

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So if that's what you want, there's someone else for you, you know, but just being so clear.

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Have you ever fallen for a client or wanted to date a client?

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No, no, not, not in that way.

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Um, because I see them as submissives and that's not what I'm sexually attracted to Like.

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I enjoy the energy, I enjoy the dynamic, but I mean sexually.

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I'm attracted to super masculine, dominant men, and so being in that dominant space isn't arousing for me.

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It's more of a power high than a sexual arousal.

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It reminds me of that show, the Billions, or Billions, whatever it's called where she's the attorney and she's the dom, but she's married to the guy right and he's her sub, and so it's very interesting that they could have a functioning relationship but still have that aspect whereas you don't want that aspect as part of your actual romantic relationship yeah, it's true.

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So what is your number one kink request?

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Um, it's either feet or water sports, yeah yeah, a lot of men have that foot fetish.

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Huh, I do not get that there's a huge correlation in the brain between, like, your arousal center and where feet are located so what do they want you to do with your feet?

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They want to touch them, or um, anything, anything, yeah, touch them um, massage them, smell them.

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It's big with like shoes and do they want you to?

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ever I've seen the videos where they do like cake smashes spaghetti or like yeah, yeah, to like stick your foot in like a bowl of spaghetti and like pick up the noodles with your toes, yeah, that is hilarious.

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Listen, I'm not going to lie.

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I have looked in to making an account on foot findercom because you can make some bank and I have nice feet, I have high arches, and so I'm like I started kind of going down this rabbit hole of like what are some of the things?

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Okay, my motto is when I started as a dom, I was like are people even going to pay me for my services?

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Is this valuable?

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And then I was.

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I was reading this article about a girl who was selling her farts in jars, so that, and I was like men buy farts in jars.

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They will pay for anything.

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It's true.

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They will pay for anything Like there is a niche for everything.

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There is a kink for everything.

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Your feet are totally, totally worth it.

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So you mentioned a second kink request.

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What was the other one?

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You said feet, the water sports, the golden showers, oh, okay, got it, got it.

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Yeah, that tends to be a big one.

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So now tell us about you.

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What are you?

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Are you looking for a relationship?

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You're more than just a professional dominatrix we want to know about you?

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Yes, I'm open to it.

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Dating life tends to be tricky because I am looking for that very masculine dominant man who is also open to me having this part of my life and you know, I'm an entrepreneur, I have three businesses, I'm very busy and it's so much, it takes so much like mental focus and so having someone that can hold that space to where I don't have to make all those decisions I don't, you know, I don't have to be the one in charge of everything, so it's, it's just tricky.

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I'm looking for how do men typically react when you tell them what you do?

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there's usually either two responses it's either they're excited and they're intrigued and they're like oh, that's fascinating, or it's they're not interested at all and they want something very, very traditional and very specific.

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Have you had to end relationships because of this, or have you had men end relationships?

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With you because of it, I have.

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Yeah, yeah, and it's always the thing where I'm super upfront about it and I'm public with what I do, and so you know I tell them right away.

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And usually how it works is they'll wait it out a little bit and then at some point, you know they want me to choose between a future with them and what I do for a living and my passion, and that's it's not going to change but if you think about it, you're not engaging in anything sexual.

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It's kind of like being being an actor.

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I feel right and yeah, the guys might get off from it.

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But if you're an actor, the guys are at home probably jerking off, you know, when you're on screen, right.

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So really, what's the difference?

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yeah, yeah, no, and I, you know, I both sides, and I understand men that are uncomfortable with it, because I'm with men in a sexual sensual energy, you know.

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But also I mean men are checking me out regardless of where I go and I'm clothed, and you know so.

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But I understand it and so where you're with just one partner you don't want to have, sort of, because I feel like and I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like this space maybe invites men to be a little bit more like oh well, if you're doing that, I want to be able to do this.

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You know, it sort of maybe just naturally brings about that type of guy or that type of energy it is spot on naturally brings about that type of guy or that type of energy it is spot on.

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They're like well, you know, if you're going to go do that with men, then I can go do whatever I want with anyone else.

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Yes, and that's not.

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That's not the mindset, right, that's not.

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That's not what we're doing here.

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And so what I do isn't just um, it's not just like a sexual playground, right, like what I'm doing is therapeutic there.

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It's not just like a sexual playground, right, like what I'm doing is therapeutic.

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There's value in that.

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You know it's healing and so it's.

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There's a lot more intention to it than just oh, I'm just, you know, going to go mess around over here and yeah.

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So what are your hobbies?

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What do you do in your free time?

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Oh, I just started doing judo like six months ago, okay, cool.

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And so I love martial arts, I love to shoot, I like to go off-roading.

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So you're outdoorsy, mm-hmm.

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I love to be outdoors and then I love girly things, like I want to spend a day at the spa.

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I love massages, pedicures, you know, whatever it is.

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Great.

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So we've got a listener question.

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Oh, that's, exciting.

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Yes, All right.

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So Jodi?

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Jodi says I have been with my boyfriend for nine years and I lost my virginity to him.

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He has never made me orgasmm and our sex is very vanilla.

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I'm ashamed to say that I recently cheated and had my first ever orgasm.

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My world is now forever changed, as the sky exposed me to things I never knew existed.

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I'm wondering if I can ever go back.

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I care about my boyfriend and I love him, but I'm now questioning if I am in love with him.

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What do I do?

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oh, that is a loaded situation so I'm a big advocate of, before you settle down and get married, you should play the field, experiment, explore, find out what you like, find out what you don't like, because I know a lot of people in their 40s that are with their childhood sweethearts and now they want to go out and play the field and experiment with other people you know.

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So I'm in the mindset of you know she should go out and play the field and explore and then, if they come back later, great.

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Or if she really does think she wants to give this a shot and she's in love with him, she could maybe experiment with him right, maybe take charge and be like hey, I want to spice things up, let's do a, b, c and d.

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Try to reenact what she did with this other guy that gave her the orgasm.

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What do you guys?

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think I don't know.

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I think she really needs to communicate with her current partner and, yeah, open it up to.

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I want to try these things like we, especially as women, need to be more vocal about what we want and what we need and what things work for us.

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We just take whatever right, and why are we not communicating that and being open about it and like our pleasure should be one of the biggest priorities to us, it's true, and so communicating that with her partner and then, if that doesn't change, she has to decide whether, like, how valuable that is to her.

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Is that something that you really, really want to?

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And I would highly recommend it.

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Like that is something you need to prioritize as your own pleasure.

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But also, I mean, I, I was in a very similar situation.

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I was married and I was in a very vanilla relationship.

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Marriage it was, oh, passionless, there was nothing exciting whatsoever, and I was in that relationship for 10 years.

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Did it start out like that or did it just fizzle?

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I was so young I didn't know any better.

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So, yeah, I was 17 and got divorced at 28.

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So, together that whole time and, like I don't know, maybe a few orgasms in a decade.

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Did you even know your own body at that time.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Women as women, it's like we have to sort of put it back on ourselves, because it's like at 17, how well do you even know your own body?

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You don't.

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And so then you're trusting a boy who's 17 to try to teach you about your own body, when it's like it should be the other way around.

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You know, we should learn our bodies first and be the ones to teach yes, the partner what it is that makes us feel good or whatever that maybe so it's just like yeah, it's like it is our responsibility, at the end of the day, to know our bodies and to understand what we need.

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It is out of a partner and even just um, like taking on that experience as you're growing up for yourself, instead of it being only something that you experience with literally a boy right.

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Like we should be able to have that experience ourselves, like as a teenager growing up like you know, getting into our feminine and, as we're you know, transitioning into that, but experiencing that ourselves and knowing what's working for us rather than just giving that value, you know so why don't more people speak up in the bedroom about what they want and what they want to try and their desires and hey, this isn't working, let's switch it up?

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Is it because they don't want to offend the partner?

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I think it's just because it's always been taboo, like you're never supposed to.

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It's that's just how it's always been, like you're not supposed to talk about it but I feel like that's changing right.

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People are becoming a lot more open-minded slowly about things, right?

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I think so I think so, and it's.

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It's much more difficult for women because we're conditioned to feel guilt and shame about our sexual desires, and I mean men can do whatever they want and say whatever they want.

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You know, I want you to do this and I want you on your knees, and you know.

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But when a woman says get on your knees, then it's a you know, oh, god forbid yeah.

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Yeah.

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Great.

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So I have an interesting article that I would like to go over.

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It's from Healthlinecom.

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One in five of your friends is getting kinky.

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Should you be too, because, when practiced safely, kinky sex also offers many health benefits.

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So I'm sure you know a lot about this.

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Health benefits so they said.

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A survey found that half of the people surveyed were interested in kinky sex.

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So that's 50% of the people surveyed were interested in kinky sex.

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That's 50% of the people out there.

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Growing research shows that getting adventurous in the bedroom can have multiple benefits, not just for your health but for your relationship as well.

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So then they start talking about what is a kink, what's defined as a kink?

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So they talk about anything that falls out of convention kissing, having sex, penetration, masturbation, so BDSM, which is from like paddling to spanking, and dominant, submissive, role-playing, fantasy role-playing wearing costumes.

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Um, one out of four men and women are interested in fashion fetish play.

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Common fetishes include the feet, shoes, leather, rubber and diaper play like that is weird.

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Diaper play have you ever had someone that wants to do diaper play like?

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I don't get the mentality in that.

00:23:09.545 --> 00:23:24.200
So they like to wear diapers right they want to have an entire like um newborn toddler experience, right to where they're in diapers, they're being spoon fed, they're being bottle fed, it's, they're being talked to like a baby, I feel like.

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Is that childhood trauma?

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Yes, okay, a lot of that stems from trauma, doesn't it?

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okay, I was gonna say what is the psychology behind that.

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But that makes sense.

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It's trauma okay, and it's trying to rewire that experience as something positive for them so they tie in a sexual experience with it.

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Right instead of yeah, something that was unsafe Okay.

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That would be a hard no for me, yeah same, yeah, not my jam.

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Then voyeurism or exhibitionism 35% of adults are interested in this.

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Like watching people have sex and being watched.

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Isn't that thrilling?

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Group sex orgies 10% of women and 18% of men have participated in group sex.

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That's it.

00:24:06.511 --> 00:24:07.074
That seems low.

00:24:07.094 --> 00:24:08.359
That seems low right, because doesn't?

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I mean, doesn't a threesome count as a group sex?

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Doesn't?

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every man tell you he's had a threesome.

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Every man so are the stats not right or are we being?

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lied to?

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Yeah, we are being lied to for sure.

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So kinky sex can have some benefits.

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In some surprising ways, kinky sex can help you feel better and improve your mental health.

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Studies have found that dominant and submissive practitioners of BDSM are less neurotic, more extroverted, more open to new experiences, more conscientious and less rejection sensitive.

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They also had higher well-being compared to the control group.

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That's interesting.

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They found that couples that engage in consensual SM activity have lower levels of the harmful stress hormone Stress hormone.

00:24:52.032 --> 00:24:52.997
That's interesting.

00:24:52.997 --> 00:24:57.300
Another study shows that consensual BDSM can reduce anxiety.

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I need to freaking, get into BDSM seriously.

00:25:00.971 --> 00:25:06.190
But yeah, they have less anxiety and it brings the mind to an altered flow state of consciousness.

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They compare it to a runner's high or the feeling you get when you do yoga it's very interesting.

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It is interesting when I was in college, so I have a psychology degree and I took a psychology of sexuality class and it was so interesting because there is evidence like there's evidence based I don't know, like in practice we call evidence-based practice and there's evidence-based I don't know like in practice we call evidence-based practice in therapy, right, Evidence-based practice, best practice Like, but for sex stuff too, like I'm sure at the academy, like you study all of that, there is like there's evidence behind some of this stuff and when you think about the fact that you're completely giving your control over to someone else.

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You're not making the decisions, you're, there are zero thoughts in your brain.

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There's so much less stress right, it was talking about the stress hormone, or hormone.

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You have so much less cortisol running through your body because you're in a state of bliss, you're in a state of relaxation and, like, one of the big things about impact play is that's what it helps you do is just completely get out of your body, and so for me, it's almost like it's a similar feeling to meditation for me.

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Yeah, yeah, because it's just kind of like an out of body experience, Like I'm just in this energy now.

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I'm not this person in this space, and you know it's, it's exhilarating, wow.

00:26:22.361 --> 00:26:30.082
And then so it says more men are interested in foot fetish play and more women are interested in experiencing pain as a part of sex.

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Are you guys into that experiencing pain?

00:26:32.718 --> 00:26:34.778
I like a little pain.

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You do.

00:26:35.102 --> 00:26:36.089
I don't see a little pain.

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I don't know if I've ever tried it, but I don't think I want to try it.

00:26:38.309 --> 00:26:39.795
Who wants to feel pain when you're?

00:26:39.795 --> 00:26:41.721
I don't know.

00:26:45.569 --> 00:26:48.335
I when you're I feel a little bit of a glutton for punishment really no, yeah, yeah, uh-huh, who's been?

00:26:48.335 --> 00:26:49.016
A naughty girl.

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Not like extreme, not not to the extreme, but a little bit so it says that in mainstream media, bdsm is often associated with abuse and violence.

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But studies show that the average person who engages in consensual kink has above average psychological health.

00:27:04.461 --> 00:27:11.116
And they say you don't need a lot of fancy equipment, because the typical person thinks of whips and chains and paddle boards or spanking benches.

00:27:11.116 --> 00:27:14.509
But they say, all you need is an imagination and a willing partner.

00:27:14.509 --> 00:27:20.070
And, um, you know, even if you don't have blindfolds or handcuffs, you can just use a tie and a pillow case.

00:27:20.070 --> 00:27:22.376
So easy peasy, there's no excuses.

00:27:22.517 --> 00:27:24.603
Yeah it doesn't need to be complicated you, so it's easy peasy.

00:27:24.623 --> 00:27:25.084
There's no excuses.

00:27:25.084 --> 00:27:30.830
Yeah, it doesn't need to be complicated, you know, and it's.

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It's a great um connection builder right In your relationship, like just having that experience together and being open to new things, and it's such a good way to grow.

00:27:35.903 --> 00:27:50.852
And then I feel like when you're able to open your mind that way, you're able to open your mind to other things and kind of live outside the box and you know we don't have to live for everyone else's ideals and expectations and it's your life, you can live it any way you want.

00:27:51.071 --> 00:27:56.433
I want to go back really quick while it's on my mind, before I forget, to the, to the whole penetration thing.

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Do you have guys ask you to peg them, and is that?

00:28:00.162 --> 00:28:00.823
and is that off?

00:28:00.890 --> 00:28:06.143
limits because do you consider that like as a sexual act between the two of you?

00:28:06.589 --> 00:28:07.634
It's not off limits for me.

00:28:07.634 --> 00:28:10.057
Okay, I get a lot of requests for that.

00:28:10.057 --> 00:28:16.901
Men are very interested in the experience and there's so much negativity wrapped around men wanting to do that.

00:28:16.901 --> 00:28:22.917
But it's just an experience, right, and it's not something sexual for me.

00:28:25.009 --> 00:28:26.913
Because it doesn't turn you on to okay.

00:28:27.214 --> 00:28:40.057
No, it doesn't turn me on, it's just, yeah, a different, you know tool but they say it's supposed to feel really good for a man because the prostate and it's supposed to be very pleasurable, so and I know a lot of guys we've come to know want it.

00:28:40.057 --> 00:28:43.061
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a lot with that that interesting.

00:28:43.061 --> 00:28:47.596
So we were talking so that there's a test you can take to see if you're a dom or a sub.

00:28:47.596 --> 00:28:50.853
I googled it and the first one that I took it wasn't sexual at all.

00:28:50.853 --> 00:28:55.699
It was about like work settings, like oh, you're in this meeting and someone says something you don't agree with, do you speak up?

00:28:55.699 --> 00:28:57.607
You probably got the wrong test.

00:28:57.627 --> 00:29:00.028
Lindsay, you got the office bdsm.

00:29:00.028 --> 00:29:02.976
How dominant are you in?

00:29:02.996 --> 00:29:05.000
your workspace, my results come.

00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:14.557
I do not have a dom bone in my body, unless I'm having sex with my husband, of course, but um, so there's other tests that you can take, so the main one is bdsmtestorg.

00:29:14.798 --> 00:29:26.576
okay, so it will score all of your criteria, whether you're dominant, submissive, um master, slave, slave, prey, predator, rope, bunny, what's a rope bunny.

00:29:26.576 --> 00:29:37.317
So it's a type of bondage right that you use rope for, and specifically in kink, the art of it is shibari, and so you can be a rope bunny or a rigger.

00:29:37.317 --> 00:29:44.143
So if you like to be the one tying, or if you like to be the one that's tied, interesting A rope bunny.

00:29:45.270 --> 00:29:51.571
I've heard of a buckle bunny, but never a rope bunny so now it's time for the celeb cut, where we marinate in the juices of the celebrity.

00:29:51.571 --> 00:29:58.916
So I have an interesting story that I want to tell about Marilyn Manson, because he kind of seems like he'd be a dom right, and he's dressed in the leather.

00:29:58.916 --> 00:30:06.957
And so I used to live in Japan, in Tokyo, and I used to go to this club all the time called the Lexington Queen, and I bumped into him many times.

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I'd partied with Marilyn Manson a handful of times and he was there for the Fuji Rock Festival or whatnot.

00:30:11.115 --> 00:30:14.671
One time my dad was like, hey, my boss's daughter is in town.

00:30:14.671 --> 00:30:16.977
I want you to take her out for a night on the town.

00:30:16.977 --> 00:30:20.511
I was, I think, newly graduated from high school, like 18 years old, super young.

00:30:20.511 --> 00:30:23.136
So I'm like, yeah, I'll take her out, we'll go to the Lexington Queen.

00:30:23.136 --> 00:30:27.604
We go to the Lexington Queen, and Marilyn Manson was there with John Five and his band.

00:30:27.604 --> 00:30:30.557
He's like come on in to my VIP, let's drink Jack Daniels together.

00:30:30.557 --> 00:30:37.280
So we're getting wasted on Jack Daniels together to the to the point where today I cannot even smell Jack Daniels makes me want to barf.

00:30:37.280 --> 00:30:43.178
So and let me say so in person, marilyn, the few times I've met he's so different than what you'd see.

00:30:43.178 --> 00:30:47.384
He's quiet, calm, highly intelligent, kind of boring, just sits there.

00:30:47.384 --> 00:30:48.736
He introduced himself as Brian.

00:30:48.736 --> 00:30:51.471
He always introduces himself as Brian, but anyway.

00:30:51.471 --> 00:30:53.178
So we're partying with them.

00:30:53.269 --> 00:30:55.656
At the end of the night the club closes and I come back to our hotel room.

00:30:55.656 --> 00:30:56.820
With us, we're going to watch Casino.

00:30:56.820 --> 00:30:59.598
We never tour without the movie Casino.

00:30:59.598 --> 00:31:09.183
We watch it at the end of every night.

00:31:09.183 --> 00:31:09.494
Sure, why not?

00:31:09.412 --> 00:31:11.592
She had called her father, my dad's boss, and said hey, we're coming home in the morning, he's fine with it.

00:31:11.592 --> 00:31:12.673
I was trying to call my dad but the phone was busy because this was in the olden days when you didn't have call waiting.

00:31:12.673 --> 00:31:13.295
So me at 18.

00:31:13.295 --> 00:31:16.405
I'm like, oh, he'll be fine, whatever, we go back to their hotel room.

00:31:16.405 --> 00:31:18.692
Marilyn Manson goes back to his room.

00:31:18.692 --> 00:31:25.484
I'm hanging out with John 5 and this girl, my dad's boss's daughter, and we all end up making out crazy stuff.

00:31:25.484 --> 00:31:27.978
It's very PG Like with each other.

00:31:27.978 --> 00:31:31.553
Yeah, very PG stuff, anyways.

00:31:31.553 --> 00:31:39.882
So then the next morning I go home and surprise, surprise, my dad is standing at the door waiting for me, yelling at me profusely.

00:31:39.882 --> 00:31:44.911
You said that you would take her home by midnight when I was trying to call him and it was busy.

00:31:44.911 --> 00:31:50.213
He called the club owner and the club owner said oh, she left with Marilyn Manson to go back to his hotel room.

00:31:51.016 --> 00:31:53.964
Oh yeah my, I was grounded for like three months.

00:31:54.005 --> 00:32:02.159
And what sucks is, marilyn Manson had invited us to go with them on their tour bus to the Fuji Rock Festival that day, the next day, and I was grounded so I couldn't go.

00:32:02.159 --> 00:32:09.298
So my parents took that experience of seeing Marilyn Manson live and that's my Marilyn Manson story.

00:32:09.298 --> 00:32:18.873
So that's hilarious, that's funny so, um, what's your favorite date place, like what is your favorite restaurant or bar or location to be taken out on a first date?

00:32:19.292 --> 00:32:20.234
oh, um.

00:32:20.234 --> 00:32:23.019
My favorite bar is Fat Ox.

00:32:23.140 --> 00:32:26.444
I go there quite a bit, I had a birthday dinner there a couple years ago.

00:32:28.330 --> 00:32:29.932
I love the vibe and I love the bartenders Fat.

00:32:29.952 --> 00:32:30.953
Ox is another one for your birthday.

00:32:30.973 --> 00:32:32.476
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:32.476 --> 00:32:34.558
That's a good place, it's nice, it's dark.

00:32:34.558 --> 00:32:39.726
I always say this I like dimly lit places and I like the lighting in there.

00:32:40.109 --> 00:32:41.133
Yeah, it's very like.

00:32:41.133 --> 00:32:42.656
Yeah, it's a good ambiance.

00:32:42.656 --> 00:32:46.656
Yeah, I like global ambassador too, the people watching this everyone says the global ambassador.

00:32:46.717 --> 00:32:50.195
I've yet to go there, but I've heard it's beautiful, it's fun yeah you know what I like.

00:32:50.195 --> 00:32:56.810
I like so for happy hour, ruth, chris, I don't like their main restaurant because it's kind of bright and stuff feels like you're in a retirement community.

00:32:56.810 --> 00:33:01.857
But at the bar for happy hour they have great specials on their cocktails.

00:33:01.857 --> 00:33:03.760
You can get a filet, mignon, and a glass of wine.

00:33:03.760 --> 00:33:08.090
That's typically 44 for just a glass of wine and it's 44 bucks for a filet and a glass of wine.

00:33:08.311 --> 00:33:12.710
Look at you with your deals, trying to help people save the money going on the first day.

00:33:12.890 --> 00:33:15.175
You shouldn't have to be out thousands of dollars, right?

00:33:15.175 --> 00:33:20.597
No good, all the appetizers are on special drinks are on special, okay that's a good spot.

00:33:20.617 --> 00:33:21.820
Are you dinner, Like?

00:33:21.820 --> 00:33:30.819
If you're your ideal date, is it dinner or happy hour or do you like, do you have other date date things that you?

00:33:30.859 --> 00:33:33.203
like I would say it's dinner.

00:33:33.203 --> 00:33:38.491
I would say I would love to go do something outdoorsy, something active, but I won't do that unless I know someone.

00:33:38.672 --> 00:33:44.663
Right so that's not a first date thing for me, but, um, yeah, I would say dinner, because I'm not I'm not a big drinker.

00:33:44.663 --> 00:34:02.393
I don't want to just meet for drinks and if I'm taking my time to meet someone, and you know, get to the restaurant and get ready and drive like I'm expecting to eat, like this is going to be a meal time, it's not just, hey, yeah, you know, let's meet for 30 minutes, and you know yeah that's just not a valuable use of my time.

00:34:02.593 --> 00:34:03.434
So and you're so.

00:34:03.434 --> 00:34:06.862
You said, like your ideal man is super masculine, right?

00:34:06.862 --> 00:34:08.065
So what like physically?

00:34:08.065 --> 00:34:09.067
What does that look like for you?

00:34:10.369 --> 00:34:29.552
Tyler no, but I'm big into health and fitness and I'm a former bodybuilder, so physique is really important to me, wellness is really important to me, so yeah, just, we were talking about it earlier too just like a big man.

00:34:29.552 --> 00:34:36.974
I want a big man to make me feel safe and protected and yeah, so I have some rapid fire questions that I wanted to ask you here.

00:34:37.034 --> 00:34:39.018
So has a slave ever rebelled?

00:34:40.963 --> 00:34:48.335
um that's a good question, right yes, yes, yes, a story a recent one what?

00:34:48.817 --> 00:34:56.217
uh, so it was a brand new submissive to me and, um, I knew he was really cocky and had quite the ego.

00:34:56.217 --> 00:34:58.489
But he's coming to me because he wants this experience.

00:34:58.489 --> 00:35:03.565
He's hiring a dominatrix, and so, um, okay, this is, this is juicy.

00:35:03.565 --> 00:35:18.873
So typically when I show up, I have like my outfit on underneath but I'll wear like a leather coat over top of it, right, and so I have my thigh high leather boots on leather jacket, so everyone knows what I, everyone knows what I'm doing, right?

00:35:18.873 --> 00:35:36.248
So I walk up to this guy's apartment and you know I'm in the elevator in my outfit and so, anyways, I get there and you know he's, we're getting stuff prepped, and so I'm like, okay, you know, I have all my implements out and everything.

00:35:36.248 --> 00:35:37.592
And I'm like get on your knees.

00:35:37.592 --> 00:35:40.186
And at this point I still have like my coat on.

00:35:40.385 --> 00:35:42.110
You know, I was waiting for him to get on his knees for me.

00:35:42.110 --> 00:35:44.496
And he's like, oh, I can't do that.

00:35:44.496 --> 00:35:46.434
And I was like, oh, do you?

00:35:46.434 --> 00:35:49.005
And like, again, I'm a medical professional.

00:35:49.005 --> 00:35:51.471
I was like do you have, you know, some injury or something?

00:35:51.471 --> 00:35:54.818
Osteoarthritis of the knees?

00:35:54.818 --> 00:35:56.028
What do you have going on?

00:35:56.028 --> 00:35:56.831
Have you had surgery?

00:35:56.831 --> 00:35:57.554
Like what's happening?

00:35:57.554 --> 00:36:04.731
And he's like I don't get on my knees for women, and I was like isn't that why he came to you though?

00:36:04.731 --> 00:36:20.335
Yeah, yeah, and so typically I'm not, I'm strict, but I'm not like an extreme authoritarian, but that that brought out the rage, because you don't tell me that and is that what he was looking for?

00:36:20.376 --> 00:36:21.965
do you think possibly?

00:36:21.965 --> 00:36:24.068
Oh, I wonder if he wanted to see you mad.

00:36:24.590 --> 00:36:47.907
So I took off my jacket, whipped him with it and forced him onto his knees, and I don't know if that was what he was looking for, but that is what you are getting, because you do not come to me in that dynamic and want to be a submissive of mine, and just complete disrespect of telling me that you don't get on your knees for women, excuse me, wow.

00:36:47.907 --> 00:36:54.873
So did the rest of the session go, oh well, yeah, so after that, after you put him on the lawn, yeah, did he thank you?

00:36:54.932 --> 00:36:57.387
did they thank you after and tell you what a great experience has been?

00:36:57.387 --> 00:36:58.009
How does that go?

00:36:58.009 --> 00:36:59.632
It depends, it depends on the person.

00:37:00.635 --> 00:37:18.994
Sometimes you will see a submissive and you will never hear from them ever again, because sometimes it's just an experience that they want, but maybe it wasn't really for them or it wasn't really satisfying, or maybe we weren't the right fit, and you don't know, until you're in that dynamic and so, yeah, sometimes you'll just never, they'll just fall off the face of the planet, you know have you heard from that one again?

00:37:19.706 --> 00:37:23.496
I have you have yes, so he wanted to come back for seconds, like he liked it.

00:37:25.088 --> 00:37:26.170
Yes that's funny.

00:37:26.170 --> 00:37:29.597
Do you establish safe words like is that something that you do in your?

00:37:32.188 --> 00:37:40.829
um, that was one of my questions so I like to tell them okay, so I have a light system, so I use green light, yellow light, red light system.

00:37:40.829 --> 00:37:45.648
So, initially, everything we're doing, everything that I have consent for, has the green light.

00:37:45.648 --> 00:37:51.253
And then, if we're really, really really pushing boundaries, they give me a yellow light, and if it's something that's a hard boundary of theirs, they would say red.

00:37:51.253 --> 00:37:56.951
I've never gotten a red light, because if you're telling me yellow light, we're already pushing it and so you know I don't go yeah.

00:37:58.766 --> 00:38:00.413
So that's how I keep safety.

00:38:00.413 --> 00:38:06.532
But everyone wants to know if they have a safe word, and so I always tell them yeah, you know, your safe word is orangutan.

00:38:06.532 --> 00:38:08.135
But good luck getting it out.

00:38:08.135 --> 00:38:11.219
You know, because by the time you say orang, you're already.

00:38:11.219 --> 00:38:19.389
You know I'm already gonna gag you or whip you or whatever it is to where you can't get the safe word out.

00:38:19.389 --> 00:38:20.251
So I try to intimidate subs with that.

00:38:20.251 --> 00:38:21.652
But really we have a light system for safety.

00:38:21.672 --> 00:38:23.253
Do you have you ever had any female clients?

00:38:23.253 --> 00:38:24.135
No, no.

00:38:24.155 --> 00:38:24.315
Okay.

00:38:24.556 --> 00:38:24.775
Are you?

00:38:24.835 --> 00:38:25.878
interested in having female.

00:38:25.878 --> 00:38:27.659
Would you be open to female clients?

00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:28.181
No.

00:38:28.181 --> 00:38:37.851
So I've had so many women uh approach me about it and I've done a few play parties and things where I'm in public, right, and so women want to play.

00:38:37.851 --> 00:38:42.416
So at parties I will, but personally I don't enjoy it whatsoever.

00:38:42.416 --> 00:38:52.565
Like everything I do is about women, empowerment and us knowing our value and us knowing our worth and having that confidence, and I never want to put a woman in that position.

00:38:53.045 --> 00:38:56.855
So I, yeah, I don't do you ever get turned on in a session?

00:38:56.855 --> 00:39:00.670
I think you already talked about this is um, not usually.

00:39:01.190 --> 00:39:05.552
Not usually it's more of that like power high feels like the runner's high kind of thing yeah.

00:39:06.257 --> 00:39:08.570
And then last question do you have a dominatrix name?

00:39:08.570 --> 00:39:09.514
Do they call you something?

00:39:09.514 --> 00:39:15.510
I do, I am goddess, heidi, goddess, have you?

00:39:15.570 --> 00:39:18.655
ever had anything happen to you where you felt unsafe?

00:39:18.655 --> 00:39:22.099
Yes, and how do you handle that?

00:39:22.706 --> 00:39:24.130
yeah, I mean just going into it.

00:39:24.130 --> 00:39:41.326
If you think logistically it's, it's kind of terrifying like you are a single woman meeting a man you don't know at potentially some hotel room or something right, and you're alone in that space and you know a lot of people don't know you're there because you're trying not to yeah, you're public about it, yeah, yeah, trying to be discreet or whatever yeah.

00:39:41.365 --> 00:39:43.608
So to think about it logistically, it can be kind of scary.

00:39:43.608 --> 00:39:51.157
Um, yeah, no, I've had some situations that were uncomfortable and, um, I've, I've done martial arts for years.

00:39:51.157 --> 00:39:54.927
I always carry a firearm, so I have all of these things in play.

00:39:54.927 --> 00:39:58.233
But, smart you, you never know, you never know, you know, you never know.

00:39:58.233 --> 00:40:05.398
So I just try to be very aware and super careful of surroundings and I always meet with submissives beforehand.

00:40:05.398 --> 00:40:07.789
You know, it's never I'm just walking into a random room with someone.

00:40:08.110 --> 00:40:08.693
Where do you meet?

00:40:08.693 --> 00:40:12.771
So like when you say I always meet with submissives beforehand like you go for coffee, Do?

00:40:12.851 --> 00:40:15.179
you do that before a session.

00:40:15.179 --> 00:40:16.423
Oh, yeah, yeah.00:40:16.824 --> 00:40:19.693


Anyone that wants to, um, you know, be in that dynamic with me.00:40:19.693 --> 00:40:20.956


Yeah, we just meet for coffee.00:40:20.956 --> 00:40:21.597


Do they pay?00:40:21.597 --> 00:40:22.518


Do you pay, Is it?00:40:22.518 --> 00:40:23.077


Do you go Dutch?00:40:23.077 --> 00:40:25.398


Oh, they buy my coffee for sure.00:40:25.398 --> 00:40:26.260


Yes, yes.00:40:26.260 --> 00:40:37.916


If, as a submissive, you are not willing to buy my coffee or you don't offer it, then this isn't going to work and so then, when you're with them at coffee, are you talking about like expectations for their session in public?00:40:38.036 --> 00:40:57.096


are people around you able to hear I want to be at a coffee shop someday that's part of the fun, because it's it's exhilarating, right, and it's nerve-wracking for them because they don't know me yet and they don't know that I'm respectful, they don't know that you know I really have their best interest in mind and so they're terrified and they're like, who is hearing this conversation?00:40:57.096 --> 00:41:06.976


But it's fun, just to, you know, be out and talk about it in the open and, like you can use, you know, specific words for things and so it's not like we're yelling our conversation.00:41:06.976 --> 00:41:08.478


Most people can't hear.00:41:10.226 --> 00:41:12.505


If you're at the table right next to us, you might overhear a few fascinating things.00:41:13.389 --> 00:41:22.490


It would be fascinating for me to see you in a session, because you seem so nice and sweet and innocent and kind, and it's just that would be so different.00:41:22.570 --> 00:41:23.965


I feel that's what I'm thinking Like.00:41:23.965 --> 00:41:36.708


I'm thinking about, like all the times that I've stopped at a coffee shop to do charting or paperwork or whatever it is like in between appointments and I'm and I'm overhearing people talk about like real estate at the table next to me or something like that.00:41:36.748 --> 00:41:37.911


Just like how funny.00:41:37.952 --> 00:41:45.730


It would be to hear why to hear a couple talking about their dominatrix session that they're gonna have have over the weekend.00:41:46.351 --> 00:41:48.474


Now we want you to pick a truth or dare question.00:41:48.974 --> 00:41:50.856


Oh, okay, can you reach.00:41:54.481 --> 00:41:58.108


Yeah, hopefully it's a good one.00:41:59.411 --> 00:41:59.773


Oh boy.00:41:59.773 --> 00:42:03.572


Okay, what's the biggest age difference you've ever had with a partner?00:42:03.572 --> 00:42:18.170


Okay, I'm in my phase of dating much older men right now, so the biggest age difference it was like 25 years older than me and was this a romantic relationship or was this a dom sub relationship?00:42:18.492 --> 00:42:22.429


romantic relationship, yeah, I don't really count the dom subs, because that could be any age.00:42:22.429 --> 00:42:23.132


Yes, and they're not.00:42:23.132 --> 00:42:25.789


Do you get speaking of that, do you get a lot of older men?00:42:25.789 --> 00:42:27.494


It's both as clients, it is.00:42:27.514 --> 00:42:27.894


It's both.00:42:27.894 --> 00:42:28.195


Yeah.00:42:28.195 --> 00:42:29.887


What would you say is the average age?00:42:32.032 --> 00:42:34.757


Hmm, Typically it's older men.00:42:34.757 --> 00:42:38.034


Typically, I'd say it's men in their late 40s, 50s.00:42:38.034 --> 00:42:38.927


Do you know if there?00:42:39.007 --> 00:42:40.793


are a lot of them married, or some of them married.00:42:40.793 --> 00:42:41.355


Do you know?00:42:52.224 --> 00:42:56.255


Most some some of them are, some of them are yeah, and some of them are open about it with their wives and some are not, and so that was something I had to work through also.00:42:56.255 --> 00:42:56.896


I was just gonna ask that?00:42:56.916 --> 00:43:06.568


yes, because I'm very ethical, probably, yes, ethical and aware of people's values and morality, and like I would never stray outside of a relationship, you know, and so to know that I'm with people, in that sense, while they're doing it.00:43:06.568 --> 00:43:10.623


But then I also had to think, if they're not seeing me, they're going to be seeing someone.00:43:10.643 --> 00:43:26.019


I was going to say that if they're not doing it with you, they're doing it with someone else, and I know that I'm doing something that is ethical, that is therapeutic, that has their best intention in mind, and I'd rather them be safe in that environment, with me and that experience, than with someone else.00:43:26.541 --> 00:43:28.346


So did you have any other questions?00:43:28.346 --> 00:43:30.291


No, I'm good.00:43:30.291 --> 00:43:30.911


Well, that's a wrap.00:43:30.911 --> 00:43:32.715


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Bye, oh, my god, I just totally got catfished.00:43:59.664 --> 00:44:06.731


He looks absolutely nothing like his picture so I found out, the guy that I've been dating is married with kids.00:44:06.731 --> 00:44:08.876


His wife just reached out to me.